{"id":9975,"date":"2019-03-29T02:19:08","date_gmt":"2019-03-29T02:19:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2019\/03\/29\/math-question-2\/"},"modified":"2019-03-29T02:19:08","modified_gmt":"2019-03-29T02:19:08","slug":"math-question-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2019\/03\/29\/math-question-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Math question"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nI understand that playing on a crapless table and attempting to beat the game by betting the 2, 3, 11, and 12 requires an extremely on access an accurate shot. My question is what is the house edge on the two and 12 when it pays 6 to 1 and cost you a dollar big on a quarter ? And what is the house vague on the three and 11 when they pay 3 to 1 with a Vig  of one dollar on a quarter<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> billythekid on March 29, 2019, 2:42 am<\/p>\n<div>Hey Bman. An experienced player like you knows to ask about the HE on a buy bet when paying the commission after the win and not before. This is also true on a crapless game.<br \/>\n\tThe HE on the buy bets for 2\/12 is .7413% where it is 4.7619% when paying the commission always.<br \/>\n\tThe HE on the buy bets for 3\/11 is 1.25% and it&#8217;s also 4.7619% when paying the commission always.<br \/>\n\tPlacing the 2\/12 is 7.1429% and the 3\/11 is 6.250. <br \/>\n\tAs an aside the HE on come bets with 5xodds is 1.042% which is so much higher that a normal game.<br \/>\n\tLet&#8217;s talk about this game when I see you in the late summer.<br \/>\n\tBTK<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on March 29, 2019, 2:55 am<\/p>\n<div>Billy is correct for a $20 wager.  Bman asked about betting a $25 wager.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf the vig is paid up front on every wager the HA is 3.85% for both bets on a quarter.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on March 29, 2019, 3:56 am<\/p>\n<div>And if the Vega is paid after the win sorry about that guys I know better<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on March 29, 2019, 3:57 am<\/p>\n<div>And FYI the crap less games that are coming into town are offering 12345 times odds<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Scooter on April 3, 2019, 9:28 pm<\/p>\n<div>What timing. I met up with Bman last 28th\/29th at a crapless table and we talked about the 2-3-11-12 bets.<br \/>\n\tWe talked about setting a different hardway set (6&#8217;s up, 1&#8217;s down with 2&#8217;s &amp;5&#8217;s on the barrel) leaving the 3&#8217;s &amp; 4&#8217;s to the outside. This set puts the 2-3-11-12 more in play on one&#8217;s shot and takes the inside numbers more out of play.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tThanks to this discussion with Bman I used the set when playing the REPEATER bet at another casino to great advantage. Hit 3 repeater bets (2-3-11) on one roll, then hit them (3-11-12) on the second rolls during that session.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tThis may not be kosher GTC training and betting strategy but it show using the hard way set to an advantage to match table conditions along with betting strategy.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tBman, thanks for that discussion. Sorry we did not get to throw together.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on April 3, 2019, 10:17 pm<\/p>\n<div>Where have you been Scooter? Long time and good to see you posting again!<\/p>\n<p>\tHere is my thoughts on that set and your win &#8211; shit happens \ud83d\ude00 &#8211; the reason I say this is not to be funny or to criticize you in using it, but to say this &#8211;  to throw those numbers with that you set you need to throw the perfect shot. You need to hit primary numbers, the numbers that are showing on the faces. As we all know, when we set hardways we don&#8217;t always hit hardways, but we do avoid the 7. Sometimes using the hardways, those hardways are coming in bunches. That is because you are right on with your shooting.<\/p>\n<p>\tWell the same thing happened that night with that set. You could have probably used the cross 6 set and still hit what you hit. it wasn&#8217;t the set, it was your ability on that given night to hit primary numbers that you know you don&#8217;t always hit.<\/p>\n<p>\tSo, don&#8217;t think you found the holy grail. Please think twice before using that set again. <\/p>\n<p>\tDom<\/p>\n<p>\tPs don&#8217;t be a stranger<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I understand that playing on a crapless table and attempting to beat the game by betting the 2, 3, 11, and 12 requires an extremely on access an accurate shot. 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