\nI took the Vegas 2018 Summer Seminar. I’m practicing 2 hours at a time and I am frustrated! I made an Excel spreadsheet that has 288 boxes, 9 columns x 32 rows. My 1st sheet of paper I threw (35) 7’s. Next sheet (48) 7’s, 3rd sheet (45) 7’s and my most recent sheet (54) 7’s out of 288 with a column of (10) 7’s thrown in 32 tosses. I’ve had my moments of 20 and 30 tosses without a 7 but my goodness as soon as I toss a 7, they come in bunches. On a couple of columns I’d thrown (1) 7 al the way to the 28th toss and then tosses 28, 29 and 30 were all 7’s! I’m sure these are the growing pains of learning how to control the dice, but I can tell you there is nothing more frustrating than to have the dice grip like you want it, toss them in perfect rotation with each other have them hit the table and hit that wall and 4\/3 and wonder what exactly could I have done to prevent that from happening? In many cases I’ve noticed that when they leave my hand and either feel wrong or look wrong in the air, I know it’s a 7 coming, it’s the ones when they look great and end up in a 4\/3 or a 5\/2 that are irking me. Ok, rant over. \ud83d\ude06<\/p>\n
Posted by:<\/strong> NofieldFive on September 20, 2018, 8:51 pm<\/p>\n \tYou are only 1 month into the process. I still may be a little too soon to put a lot of stock into the outcome of your shots. Make sure that you are seeing consistency. It sounds like you are. \tWe have all thrown that great looking shot that lands too close to the back wall and bounces up into the wall, then ends up a 4\/3 or 5\/2. <\/p>\n \tKeep up the great practice, be critical of your shots and your results will come.<\/p>\n \tNFF<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Chuckman on September 20, 2018, 9:53 pm<\/p>\n \tAre your totals of those 4 numbers consistently fewer than 48, 41, 35 or 29? Those numbers represent the mean and the 3 standard deviations for horn numbers in a group of 288 rolls. The best would be fewer than 29. Three standard deviations is the standard we look for to give us confidence that we are influencing the dice.<\/p>\n \tIf you are using a traditional hardways set, the 1 and 6 form the axis around which your dice are rotating. You are hopefully avoiding those numbers. If you also record the individual die results, look for 69 or fewer 1s or 69 or fewer 6s. 69 or fewer of either\/both of those numbers would be 3 standard deviations from the mean of 96 and would show that you are influencing the dice. <\/p>\n \tAnother thing to consider is shorter practice sessions. Do you practice 2 hours because that is how long it takes you to complete a 288 roll sheet? Maybe do 72 roll sessions?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on September 21, 2018, 2:32 am<\/p>\n \tNFF is correct. You don’t want to put too much stock in the results this soon after the class. Give yourself some time. Concentrate on how the dice look in the air–are they on axis, are they level to the table, are you throwing too hard, are the dice splitting, is one die leading or higher than the other, etc. Look at your notes from the class and remember what was taught. <\/p>\n \tSelf critique is so important. If there is some one in the area who had the class, you can practice together.<\/p>\n \tSomething that we use from time to time, is don’t set the dice but simply make sure the grip is right on–thumb and middle finger centered on the dice and the fingers are straight across the front of the dice. Also insure the grip is very light so the dice naturally come out with out you flicking your fingers. Remember when the dice are in your fingers is the only time you have 100% control over the dice.<\/p>\n \tDon’t practice when you are tired or for long periods of time–15 to 20 minutes a couple of times is better that a 1 1\/2 hour session. <\/p>\n \tBe to ask questions on the message board and you will get a lot of help. <\/p>\n \tHope to see you soon.<\/p>\n \tRose and Doc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Preacher on September 21, 2018, 3:17 am<\/p>\n \tI do this way my iPad Mini using the app, \u201cCoach\u2019s Eye\u201d. In the Apple store, it was $19.99. I set it to record at 120 FPS, 720p. Newer phones could probably do this at 1080p, but you really need 120 FPS – and very good lighting. This app allows me to slo mo, and even easily advance\/reverse 1 frame at a time using a slide bar. I\u2019m sure there are other apps available.<\/p>\n \tThis will allow you to get a 2nd point of view, which you need for situations like yours. It will also, importantly, allow you to determine if the double pitch you\u2019re getting is caused by the back wall – a frequent cause of a double pitch. If so, you\u2019ll need to adjust the distance of your landing zone from the back wall. <\/p>\n \tAgain, your best help will be with a GTC instructor. Until then, video recording will answer a lot of questions.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> BeerKnurd on September 21, 2018, 1:41 pm<\/p>\n \tI hate to sound like a broken record so I won\u2019t repeat the same things others have said other than to say don\u2019t get discouraged\u2026 I was in the August class in Vegas as well and I can tell you, I\u2019ve had some brutal practice sessions since then. The thing I keep reminding myself is to go back to the basics and make sure everything we have control over is rock solid. Even in the middle of a session I\u2019ll catch myself and correct (sometimes again and again) a problem and my throws start getting better again.<\/p>\n \tPersonally, I find that shorter sessions throughout the day works better, but I work from home several days of the week so it\u2019s easier to do. I\u2019ll go to my practice rig and throw until I seven out and then return to whatever I was working on for a while. At the same time I\u2019m also making the bets as if I were at a live table, as much to try to mimic the pace of play as to practice betting. Once I\u2019ve recorded 50 rolls I put those in and start a new set. At this point I only have about 1100 throws recorded, but I also trend the outputs from each set and the cumulative statistics after each set so I can tell whether things are improving over time. Perhaps that\u2019s just the analyst in me coming out, but I\u2019ve found that when I start feeling frustrated I can look and remind myself of how far I\u2019ve come since I started. <\/p>\n \tTo everyone else who has replied so far, thank you! There are some great ideas in here and I’m going to start kicking around ways to slowly start implement some of them in my own training.<\/p>\n \tBK<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on September 21, 2018, 1:47 pm<\/p>\n \t1. Don’t record your rolls for the first 6 weeks of practice<\/p>\n \t2. One hour of practice broken down into 4 15 minutes sessions is the best<\/p>\n \t3. Try not to look at the results for these first 6 weeks, but instead look at what the dice look like in the air – are they together? – are they landing together? – If not – CHECK YOUR GRIP!<\/p>\n \t4. You will take 3 steps backwards to take 5 steps forward<\/p>\n \tHope all this helps.<\/p>\n \tDom<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Burksizm on October 2, 2018, 9:04 pm<\/p>\n "Chuckman" wrote:<\/strong> Are you consistently throwing fewer horn numbers: 2,3,11 and 12?<\/p>\n \tAre your totals of those 4 numbers consistently fewer than 48, 41, 35 or 29? Those numbers represent the mean and the 3 standard deviations for horn numbers in a group of 288 rolls. The best would be fewer than 29. Three standard deviations is the standard we look for to give us confidence that we are influencing the dice.<\/p>\n \tIf you are using a traditional hardways set, the 1 and 6 form the axis around which your dice are rotating. You are hopefully avoiding those numbers. If you also record the individual die results, look for 69 or fewer 1s or 69 or fewer 6s. 69 or fewer of either\/both of those numbers would be 3 standard deviations from the mean of 96 and would show that you are influencing the dice. <\/p>\n \tAnother thing to consider is shorter practice sessions. Do you practice 2 hours because that is how long it takes you to complete a 288 roll sheet? Maybe do 72 roll sessions?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tI throw 15 – 30 minutes at a time. That’s usually 1-2 coulumns. I have started recording the types of 7’s I toss. I know what’s happened when I toss 6\/1, the dice have rolled right or left. It’s the 5\/2 and 4\/3’s that are frustrating. Also, what I appear to be able to do really well in practice sessions, is toss the same numbers consecutively. If I toss a 6, odds are I’m going to toss another 6, just not the same. 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\n\tRemember, we are looking at the dice flight in the air. Are they rotating together on axis?
\n\tHow did they land? Did they both go straight to the back wall together and bounce back together stopping about 4-6 inches from the wall?
\n\tIf these things are happening then you have thrown an advantage shot. Make sure that you are not landing right at the base of the wall. The dice need to land about 4 inches away and hit the wall at the apex of their bounce. Sometimes, if you land too close the dice will bounce up into the pyramids and get a double flop 7. <\/p>\n