{"id":9802,"date":"2018-05-10T21:09:42","date_gmt":"2018-05-10T21:09:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2018\/05\/10\/help-think-i-calculated-my-true-players-edge\/"},"modified":"2018-05-10T21:09:42","modified_gmt":"2018-05-10T21:09:42","slug":"help-think-i-calculated-my-true-players-edge","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2018\/05\/10\/help-think-i-calculated-my-true-players-edge\/","title":{"rendered":"Help: Think I calculated my True Players Edge"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nThis is prob for Skinny, <\/p>\n<p>\tSo I gave myself homework from the last advance class.  I was working on enhancing my  throwing dashboard by adding Player&#8217;s Edge , by plugging in my actual distribution from my throw log. I researched the formulas  on Wiz. of Odds . I figured if I can come up with  -1.41 then I had the correct formulas and use my distribution.  To my surprise the results were different from the chart distributed in class. I figured that maybe the class chart is some estimate based on solely the SRR and not the distribution so then I attempted to see If I can come up with what the class distribution may look like here are my results  for my 5040 rolls with an SRR of  6.52.    I have a  -0.77% true players edge  (Just shows why you really need to place odds on your bets)   See the results below.  Question: Did I make some mistake ?<\/p>\n<p>\n\t<strong>Random Rollers Players Edge <\/strong>\t<br \/>\n\tEst Probabiltiy of establishing a Poiint and winnng\t27.07%<br \/>\n\tEst Overall Probability of winning\t49.29%<br \/>\n\tEst Probability of Losing\t50.71%<br \/>\n\tEst Players Edge\t-1.41%<\/p>\n<p>\t<strong>My True Players  Edge<\/strong> <br \/>\n\tProbability of establishing a Point and winning\t28.50%<br \/>\n\tOverall Probability of winning\t49.62%<br \/>\n\tProbability of Losing\t50.38%<br \/>\n\tPlayers Edge\t-0.77%<\/p>\n<p>\t<strong>SRR Edge = \t6.52<\/strong><br \/>\n\tProbability of establishing a Point and winning\t29.38%<br \/>\n\tOverall Probability of winning\t50.27%<br \/>\n\tProbability of Losing\t49.73%<br \/>\n\tPlayers Edge using SRR only \t0.54%<\/p>\n<p>\tBelow is a view link to the dashboard.<br \/>\n\t<a href=\"https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheets\/d\/1Q35uJPmgutkKb0sGleoAn55siE2f4Qzn6AHtutUzuuA\/edit#gid=1155939994\">https:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheets\/d\/1Q35uJPmgutkKb0sGleoAn55siE2f4Qzn6AHtutUzuuA\/edit#gid=1155939994<\/a><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on May 11, 2018, 4:43 am<\/p>\n<div>You did not make any mistakes in your calculations.  Your mistake is in your throw.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhile you have a reduced number of sevens from random, you have too many garbage numbers, much higher than random.<\/p>\n<p>\tRandom would expect 560 come out losers (2, 3 and 12&#8217;s) and 1120 winners (7 and 11&#8217;s) in 5040 throws.  You threw 606 losers and 1064 winners.  You have too many garbage numbers, much higher than random.<\/p>\n<p>\tRandom would expect to have 560 winners on the come out roll, you only had 458.  <\/p>\n<p>\tThe only reason your HA is lower than the -1.41% for a random player is because you do have a reduced number of sevens.  So while you are losing more money on the come out roll than a random roller due to the reduced sevens and higher 2, 3 and 12&#8217;s, you are winning more of your points because of the reduced number of sevens.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on May 11, 2018, 4:55 am<\/p>\n<div>If you apply your 6.52 SRR to the random numbers for 5040 throws, you should come up with a positive HA of 1.7633%.<\/p>\n<p>\tIn other words, assume a random throw on the come out roll since you will have a 2-1 advantage with a random throw on the come out roll when you don&#8217;t throw a box number.  Then set the dice and with an SRR of 6.52 you will win a higher proportion of your points than a random roller with an SRR of 6.0.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> MrPiP on May 11, 2018, 5:35 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&quot;Skinny&quot; wrote:<\/strong> If you apply your 6.52 SRR to the random numbers for 5040 throws, you should come up with a positive HA of 1.7633%.<\/p>\n<p>\tIn other words, assume a random throw on the come out roll since you will have a 2-1 advantage with a random throw on the come out roll when you don&#8217;t throw a box number.  Then set the dice and with an SRR of 6.52 you will win a higher proportion of your points than a random roller with an SRR of 6.0.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\tThanks Skinny, that suggestion was amazing:   My calculation came out to as follows:<br \/>\n\tTrue Edge \t<br \/>\n\tProbability of establishing a Point and winning\t28.50%<br \/>\n\tOverall Probability of winning\t50.94%<br \/>\n\tProbability of Losing\t49.06%<br \/>\n\tPlayers Edge\t1.89%<\/p>\n<p>\tNext I have to calculate the impact of placing odds.<br \/>\n\tThis was a great exercise to see what the throw is like from a math point of view. That should throw off the casino crew by doing a CFER throw on the come out. lol <\/p>\n<p>\tBTW I think the garbage numbers are in the process of being aged out as the last 3600 throws showed a positive True Player&#8217;s Edge.    You can&#8217;t see it but I have a drop down that allows me to choose the last 36,320,720,3600,5040 and 7200 throws.  This gives me a sense of a point and time of when the throw was bad or needs adjustment because I picked up a bad habit.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on May 11, 2018, 10:16 am<\/p>\n<div>Great work Skinny!<\/p>\n<p>\tNice job Mr Pip<\/p>\n<p>\tWay above my pay grade:)))<\/p>\n<p>\tDom<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Nightrider on May 16, 2018, 11:07 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&quot;Dominator&quot; wrote:<\/strong> Great work Skinny!<\/p>\n<p>\tNice job Mr Pip<\/p>\n<p>\tWay above my pay grade:)))<\/p>\n<p>\tDom<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\tright on dom me too<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is prob for Skinny, So I gave myself homework from the last advance class. I was working on enhancing my throwing dashboard by adding Player&#8217;s Edge , by plugging in my actual distribution from my throw log. 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