{"id":9659,"date":"2017-08-26T17:02:04","date_gmt":"2017-08-26T17:02:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2017\/08\/26\/does-the-5-count-work-will-it-save-you\/"},"modified":"2017-08-26T17:02:04","modified_gmt":"2017-08-26T17:02:04","slug":"does-the-5-count-work-will-it-save-you","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2017\/08\/26\/does-the-5-count-work-will-it-save-you\/","title":{"rendered":"Does the 5 count work?  Will it save you $$$?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nThe simple answer is a big yes.  During the Vegas Class Doc ran a test to see how the results would have played out over a 7 day\/6 night stay.  <\/p>\n<p>\tHere is what I did.  Every time a shooter did not make the 5 count&#8212;that&#8217;s both random rollers and GTC rollers (there were obviously some of both) I slipped a $1 chip in my pocket.  Yes there were a few who made a pay day before the 5 count was complete and I missed a pay day but not many.  Played mostly $10 tables with and one $5 table.  Always took $10 in odds after the 5 count was made so my average bet was about $20 on these shooters with the dice.  I admit that if a GTC player made the five count I took more odds.  But to keep it simple (even if very unscientific) let&#8217;s use the $20.  <\/p>\n<p>\tAt the end of each session when I cashed in my chips, I would record how many rollers did not make the five count.  Drum roll please&#8211;the total of shooters not making the 5 count was 53.  Multiply 53 by $20 and the get a total of $1060.  If you want to adjust this number by a few  shooters who make a pay day during the 5 count the total may be a little lower but not much&#8211;remember all those shooters who did not make the 5 count and no paydays. <\/p>\n<p>\tSo guys and gals the 5 count is an excellent arrow in your quiver of tricks.  It certainly saved Rose and I some money.<\/p>\n<p>\tDoc<\/p>\n<p>\tAnd yes we did bring back some of the casinos money.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> SectionEight on August 26, 2017, 10:11 pm<\/p>\n<div>Good illustration there Doc!!  Were those $1 chips enough to treat AR to dinner?   Good to see you guys!!<\/p>\n<p>\tTake care,<br \/>\n\tSE<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on August 27, 2017, 2:26 am<\/p>\n<div>Section,  the answer is yes&#8212;we went to the food count for a Nathan&#8217;s hot dog!!!!!  Just kidding as we actually ended up at the Voodoo Steak house at the Rio.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on August 27, 2017, 5:49 am<\/p>\n<div>That is interesting Doc because mathematically the 5 count is known to eliminate 57% of the shooters.<\/p>\n<p>\tIt would be fascinating if in your small sample you found 53 who did not make the 5 count out of 100 players?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on August 27, 2017, 10:58 am<\/p>\n<div>Well I know Doc that you and Janis do use the 5-count religiously, so this test was not to convince you but to have this ilistrated in a post.<\/p>\n<p>\tI appreciate it!<\/p>\n<p>\tDom<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Chevy on September 1, 2017, 1:21 am<\/p>\n<div>I totally agree with the good Doctor and Section Eight.  I absolutely use the 5-count on everyone.  I can&#8217;t tell you the thousands of dollars I have saved over the years.  Sometimes people, or dealers, will ask me if I am going to bet on the shooter.  My answer also comes from GTC which is: &quot;I always like to watch them shoot a bit before I bet.&quot;  No more, questions and thousands of dollars in my pocket.<\/p>\n<p>\tI started using the 5-count the first session after my Primer Class and saw how well it works.  Yes I have missed some wins on the first 5 throws but in no way does it compare to the money I have saved.  <\/p>\n<p>\tGTC teaches us how to have an advantage. Proper betting is as important as your grip, throw and landing.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on September 1, 2017, 12:18 pm<\/p>\n<div>Another line that Billy the Kid uses when no one is making the 5-count at the table and the dealers say something is &quot;The way this table is running I wouldn&#8217;t bet with YOUR money.&quot; Always gets a laugh!<\/p>\n<p>\tDom<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on September 1, 2017, 1:59 pm<\/p>\n<div>When a player, dealer or stick man says something about not betting during the five count such as &quot;you are a late better&quot;  my favorite line is &quot;no I have not taken a class as it costs too much but I did buy a book and I probably paid too much.  Buy it can&#8217;t hurt.&quot;  <\/p>\n<p>\tRose always something like &quot; my husband taught me to do this.&quot;  <\/p>\n<p>\tYou can also use these statements if someone asks if we have taken a class.<\/p>\n<p>\tRose and Doc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> HardNine on October 5, 2017, 4:30 pm<\/p>\n<div>For reference, I buy in for 600; 500 for me and 100 for everyone else.<\/p>\n<p>\tThis past weekend, a couple had reserved the spots next to me and bought in for 200.  Dice started straight out SR, couple at SL 1 &amp; 1.5, me at SL2.  I 5 counted everyone, they were betting inside.  Dice got to her as 5th shooter, and her 7 out emptied their rail.  I still had $80 in my \u201cother\u201d rail and got to move to SL 1 for my roll!<\/p>\n<p>\t#LoveThe5Count  \ud83d\ude00<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on October 6, 2017, 10:46 am<\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">[quote=&quot;HardNine&quot;]<span style=\"color: #FF0000\">For reference, I buy in for 600; 500 for me and 100 for everyone else.<\/span><br \/>\n\t<\/span><br \/>\n\tI LOVE THIS LINE ABOVE!!! \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00 <\/p>\n<p>\tDOM<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The simple answer is a big yes. During the Vegas Class Doc ran a test to see how the results would have played out over a 7 day\/6 night stay. Here is what I did. 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