{"id":9521,"date":"2016-12-07T13:54:45","date_gmt":"2016-12-07T13:54:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2016\/12\/07\/do-you-knowe-your-edge-when-you-throw\/"},"modified":"2016-12-07T13:54:45","modified_gmt":"2016-12-07T13:54:45","slug":"do-you-knowe-your-edge-when-you-throw","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2016\/12\/07\/do-you-knowe-your-edge-when-you-throw\/","title":{"rendered":"Do you knowe your edge when you throw"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nHi all<\/p>\n<p>\tI say in class that betting into your edge is just as important &#8211; maybe MORE important than actually throwing the dice. So how many of you are actually calculating your edge and betting into it?<br \/>\n\t Remember there are three things you need to do to beat this game of craps:<br \/>\n\t1. Learn the GTC throw<br \/>\n\t2. Calculate your edge<br \/>\n\t3. Bet into that edge &#8211; that is to not make a bet that has a greater house edge than what you have<\/p>\n<p>\tIf you have a 6.23 SRR after at least 5000 rolls a place bet on the 6\/8 or better yet, using comebets is what you want to do. At 6.23 you have an edge over the casinos on those bets. <\/p>\n<p>\tSo ask yourself this &#8211; are you betting into your edge? If not you are <span style=\"color: #FF0000\"><strong>LOSING!<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\tDominator<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on December 7, 2016, 11:03 pm<\/p>\n<div>I so agree with this.<\/p>\n<p>\tI see so many charting the numbers it is killing me, so I ask this of you that are have you st there and charted 3500 throws so you can get a true random?<\/p>\n<p>\n\tThe only way to beat the game is to get an advantage throw.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf you believe that you can chart numbers without an advantage throw and find a trend then go play keno the pay out is much greater and you can find a trend there to right, or are you going to tell me that keno is a random game, but dice is to unless you have an advantage throw.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tThose who do the best have the most fun.<\/p>\n<p>\tFor me fun is all about sushi and great pizza or maybe a great steak or a burger, and conversation.  The tables are all about business.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> JawBones on December 8, 2016, 9:56 pm<\/p>\n<div>I know we have had these discussions in the past and I also know there is a chart in one of your books Dom that shows your edge based on your SRR but I can&#8217;t find it.  My SRR over the last 1000 recorded throws since my Advanced is 7.7.  I know 1000 is not enough to get an accurate result but the dice are really behaving now and I believe it is going to continue this upward trend.  I am a come bettor as you may recall but what is my statistical or percentage edge with an SRR of 7.7?  <\/p>\n<p>\tThanks<br \/>\n\tjb<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on December 8, 2016, 10:54 pm<\/p>\n<div>JB, that higher the srr the more favorable come bets become, why?<\/p>\n<p>\tThe better you get the more control you have, the more control you have the more you should repeat the same numbers over and over.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> JawBones on December 8, 2016, 11:07 pm<\/p>\n<div>Hi B-Man,<\/p>\n<p>\tI understand that but I thought there was a table that showed exactly what my edge is over the house at various srr&#8217;s.  I am a come bettor but as my SRR gets higher, I wonder if it might make sense to place 6\/8 and\/or buy 4\/10 when vig is paid on wins only as well as come bets.  In other words, with a higher SRR might it make sense to get money out a bit quicker than I presently do?  I know what is taught and I play just that way; a Pass Line with odds (I typically play $5 tables so I do 5\/25 on line\/odds) and 2 come bets initially, after 3 hits, go to a 3rd CB and after 5 hits go to a 4th.  From hit 6 on, I keep a come bet out at all times and increase my odds bet with each hit.<\/p>\n<p>\tJust thinking that if my srr approaches 8, maybe placing\/buying from the beginning would be more profitable over the long run.  I realize the short rolls will kill you with more money out there but the longer rolls will make money faster.  If we are playing with an SRR of 7 to 8 or above, I would think our house edge might make early betting a good idea.<\/p>\n<p>\tUnderstanding the math, though, it might be better to keep doing what I do but put more odds out.  Most of the tables I play are 10X odds tables.<br \/>\n\tjb<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> getagrip on December 9, 2016, 12:16 am<\/p>\n<div>Jawbones,<\/p>\n<p>\tI am looking at my &quot;Cutting Edge Craps&quot; book and starting in Chapter 2 page 7 there is a chart. Not sure if this is what you are looking for but check it out if you have that book. Sorry to those that don&#8217;t own this book but I do not feel comfortable in paraphrasing in case I interpret incorrectly and I do not know how to enter the chart here in totality. Great information in this book if you don&#8217;t have it. It is one I refer to often. Some of the things I can&#8217;t do yet but I like the dice theory anyway. Jawbones, hope this helps you out.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> JawBones on December 9, 2016, 11:49 am<\/p>\n<div>Thanks Getagrip.  I have searched my library of books and that may be the one book I don&#8217;t have about Craps. \ud83d\ude00 <\/p>\n<p>\tLooks like I will need to make a last minute Christmas stop by Amazon and get this one the way to me.<\/p>\n<p>\tjb<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hi all I say in class that betting into your edge is just as important &#8211; maybe MORE important than actually throwing the dice. So how many of you are actually calculating your edge and betting into it? 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