{"id":950,"date":"2012-07-06T21:41:01","date_gmt":"2012-07-06T21:41:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/07\/06\/the-destruction-of-dice-control\/"},"modified":"2012-07-06T21:41:01","modified_gmt":"2012-07-06T21:41:01","slug":"the-destruction-of-dice-control","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/07\/06\/the-destruction-of-dice-control\/","title":{"rendered":"The Destruction of Dice Control"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nThose of us who play a lot in different casinos in Vegas and Atlantic City as well as down south on occasion, we know that the casinos are well aware that some shooters can beat them. You will often get floormen who are nasty and will tell you that dice control &quot;doesn&#8217;t work&quot; or &quot;why are you wasting your time with that?&quot; You never hear them tell random shooters &quot;your shot doesn&#8217;t work&#8217; or &quot;why are you wasting time with that?&quot; They know random rollers are no threat to them.<\/p>\n<p>\tBut we are. I know this now from years of playing. The casinos know that dice control is real or they wouldn&#8217;t be so uptight about those of us who set the dice and throw in that excellent GTC way. <\/p>\n<p>\tWe are somewhat lucky that almost all dice setters are <em>not<\/em> dice controllers. But the flip side is that many of these dice setters take way to long to set the dice and that gives dice setters a bad name and thus that name carries over to us even though GTC throwers set and throw the dice in just a few seconds.<\/p>\n<p>\tWe are also lucky that some GTC players ignore the excellent betting advice that Frank gives and play as foolishly as ever. Such betting helps us look like regular gamblers and since most GTCers cannot overcome those high house edge bets they will lose their money. That does make the rest of us look good.<\/p>\n<p>\tBut I also know that in the casinos where I have been a consistent winner I am starting to realize that I really should spread my action around. One floorperson who has told me numerous times that dice control doesn&#8217;t work said to me the other day, &quot;You&#8217;ve been very lucky here.&quot; He emphasized &quot;lucky&quot; to mean he didn&#8217;t think it was luck. I am moving to another casino and giving this one a rest.<\/p>\n<p>\tI think dice controllers should think in terms of not giving action to the same casinos time and again. We don&#8217;t want to destroy what we have. <\/p>\n<p>\tI have to say that I am thankful for the random rollers, the dice setters with no skills, the so-called dice controllers from other camps, and the GTC players who play poorly. But they aren&#8217;t enough to guarantee that we will all be left free and clear.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dice Pilot on July 7, 2012, 1:49 am<\/p>\n<div>It is a smart move not to hit the same place all of the time.  I was tapped out of one casino after a nice roll into the thirties.  The suit said that I could continue to play but I was not allowed to roll.  I waited six months before heading back to that casino.  Keep under the radar for long term profit potential.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on July 7, 2012, 2:03 am<\/p>\n<div>I think that if the pit critter is talking to you that much it is time to move on.<br \/>\n\tI just hate it when it is the first time at a casino and right off the bat I get heat. Some thing tells me that some one before me said to much.<br \/>\n\tTheir job is to watch the pay offs and see that the game is going fast. Not talking about how your throw will never work.<br \/>\n\tI say that I will try better and just not let them get to me. <br \/>\n\tIf they say any thing about class or books I say that I will have to look into that and do you really think that may help me ?<br \/>\n\tBest said NOTHING my .01 worth.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 7, 2012, 10:41 am<\/p>\n<div>I really enjoyed this post and the responses. I think it is important that for dice controllers they must follow the GTC advice. This is too good a thing to screw up.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 7, 2012, 2:02 pm<\/p>\n<div>This completely makes sense. I am also surprised at how many GTCers do not follow the betting advice. Many still win money or maybe most win money but they would win more money if they handled their betting differently. I could be wrong in this but I don&#8217;t think so.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on July 7, 2012, 5:46 pm<\/p>\n<div>this topic brings up a whole lot of issues.<\/p>\n<p>\n\t1&#8230;. for those of us not in or near vegas or AC  our options are to play under poor conditions, or play at the<br \/>\n\tsame places more often.   IN central Wisconsin we have a decent table 50 minutes east of me, 1 hour and <br \/>\n\t15 minutes north ( if it is ever open) we have a very very very bouncy 12&#8242; table 1.5 hours north, a very very<br \/>\n\tbouncy 12 foot table 1.5 hours east and a 16 table 40 minutes east. <\/p>\n<p>\tI can say i am not nearly good enough to walk up to the 16 table, or either of those bouncy tables and feel i have<br \/>\n\tan edge. if that can be done i would love to spend a day with anyone that can show me how.<\/p>\n<p>\tSo my way of playing is to bet smaller amounts on the good tables so they dont get  upset, when i atake a few dollars<br \/>\n\toften..<\/p>\n<p>\tOne thing i think we need to be careful of is loading up on the better tables. You get 4 dice controllers on<br \/>\n\ta tub every  wednesday and win in a small casino, that may not last real long.<\/p>\n<p>\tshakespear had the question&#8230;.. <\/p>\n<p>\tto win or not to win, that is the question:<br \/>\n\tWhether tis nobler i n the mind to suffer<br \/>\n\tthe stairs and glances or outragous pit boss&#8217;s<br \/>\n\tor to take dice against a sea of tables<br \/>\n\tand by opposing end them. To throw, to<br \/>\n\twin, to lose no more<br \/>\n\tand by win say end the heartache and the<br \/>\n\tthousands endless loss&#8217;s that flesh is heir to:<br \/>\n\ttis a preservation of dice control devoutly to be<br \/>\n\twish&#8217;d<br \/>\n\tTo throw, to win, to win; perchance to dream: ay<br \/>\n\tthere the rub: for in that win, more dreams  may<br \/>\n\tcome;  When we have shuffled of this motal<br \/>\n\trandomness of the dice, must we give pause, theres<br \/>\n\tthe respect be paid to the tables and owners of<br \/>\n\twhich will bear the whips and scorn and the<br \/>\n\tloses of our dice. <br \/>\n\tTo toss, to win, there is the rub: for in the end<br \/>\n\ta price will be paid<\/p>\n<p>\tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 7, 2012, 7:25 pm<\/p>\n<div>The advanced class goes into the tables you are talking about I think. You might look into that.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> fscobe on July 8, 2012, 9:07 am<\/p>\n<div>gman is the GTC Shakespeare!  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on July 8, 2012, 2:01 pm<\/p>\n<div>An absolute great thread and a must read for everyone on this web site.  As DP says stay under the radar.  Which is why the Beautiful Alligator Rose and I go to so many different venues in many states.  Don&#8217;t wear out your welcome.  Don&#8217;t stay at one place for hours at a time.  If you do, you are shooting yourself in the foot.<\/p>\n<p>\tDoc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 8, 2012, 2:21 pm<\/p>\n<div>I think the installation of the washboards in the landing zone in certain Downtown casinos is proof that the casinos are taking a stand against anyone trying to beat the odds. I had a dealer bragging about how they installed their additional &quot;randomized&quot; and couldn&#8217;t wait to point it out to me. Look for the ripple lines and you can recognize it. <\/p>\n<p>\tAnd let&#8217;s face it an average or better GTC player stands out among the craziness. I still haven&#8217;t figured out the casino paranoia but the fact that many more players are attempting to select their dice in a way that slows the game down makes sense. If I get hassled I quietly color out and move on. These guys and gals have a job to do and I don&#8217;t take it personal. And as good as you get There are a ton of variables to deal with and you still need to have a little old fashion luck.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 11, 2012, 2:00 pm<\/p>\n<div>I think we should follow the advice in the book Casino Craps Shoot to Win. That way you are never the one who disrupts a game or shoots so slow that the crews become annoyed. The game is too good to screw up with poor behavior on the part of controlled shooters.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Those of us who play a lot in different casinos in Vegas and Atlantic City as well as down south on occasion, we know that the casinos are well aware that some shooters can beat them. 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