\nACPA mentioned this wager in another post. I did some searching around on the net because it piqued my curiosity.<\/p>\n
\tI believe this wager was invented by Stacy Friedman of Beaverton, OR. When he first conceived of the wager it was structured differently from what ACPA described. I describe both below and highlight the difference in red<\/span><\/u><\/strong>.<\/p>\n \tIn the original version there was a no-action-on-come out component to the wager.<\/p>\n \tIn the no-action-on-comeout version of the Hard Pass side bet, the bet works as follows:<\/p>\n \t1) Shooter comes out. If it’s a natural winner or craps, bet gets no action.<\/span><\/u><\/strong> \tThis wager has a 9.43% house edge when you count the pushes in the calculation and a 14.14% house edge when you ignore the pushes. There was a big discussion about this on one of the websites between Stacy Friedman and one of the other members of the website. They argued over which was the correct way to calculate the house edge.<\/p>\n \tI believe it is correct to count the pushes as part of the wager. Hence it is my opinion the house edge in this form is 9.43%.<\/p>\n \tIn the higher paying 80-1 version that ACPA described, the only difference is that there is action on the come out roll.<\/p>\n \tIn the action-on-comeout version of the Hard Pass side bet, the bet works as follows:<\/p>\n \t1) Shooter comes out. If it’s a natural winner or craps, bet loses.<\/span><\/u><\/strong> \tIn this version the house edge would be 9.09%.<\/p>\n \tEven though the house edge is lower on the 80-1 version I suspect the house is hoping with an 80-1 payout it is a more attractive wager than the 50-1 version. Thus they are willing to take a slightly lower house edge to make the bet more popular.<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Chuco on June 5, 2016, 5:15 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on June 5, 2016, 5:22 pm<\/p>\n "Chuco" wrote:<\/strong> Do Vegas or Laughlin casinos offer this bet? Would they be aware of it?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tHard Pass is approved for play in Nevada and Mississippi.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on June 5, 2016, 5:41 pm<\/p>\n \t[pre]Payout (N-1)\tHouse Advantage Posted by:<\/strong> ACPA on June 5, 2016, 8:11 pm<\/p>\n \tNoah<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on June 5, 2016, 8:34 pm<\/p>\n "ACPA" wrote:<\/strong> I never saw it in play and the dealer didn’t tell me what happened on a come out seven.<\/p>\n \tNoah<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tIt has to be a loss if they are paying 80-1 on a win. If a come out winner (7\/11) or craps loser (2\/3\/12) were a push AND they paid 80-1<\/u><\/strong> instead of 50-1 the player would have a positive +24% house edge instead of a negative -9.09% house edge.<\/p>\n \tNo way they can pay 80-1 if a come out winner\/loser is a push.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" ACPA mentioned this wager in another post. I did some searching around on the net because it piqued my curiosity. I believe this wager was invented by Stacy Friedman of Beaverton, OR. When he first conceived of the wager it…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":14,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9446","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9446","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/14"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9446"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9446\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9446"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9446"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9446"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
\n\t2) If an easy point rolls, bet loses. That’s easy 4, 6, 8, 10 or 5, 9.
\n\t3) If a hard point number rolls (hard 4, 6, 8, 10), the shooter keeps rolling.
\n\t4) If the shooter makes his point hard, the bet wins 50-to-1.
\n\t5) If the shooter 7s out or makes his point easy, the bet loses.<\/p>\n
\n\t2) If an easy point rolls, bet loses. That’s easy 4, 6, 8, 10 or 5, 9.
\n\t3) If a hard point number rolls (hard 4, 6, 8, 10), the shooter keeps rolling.
\n\t4) If the shooter makes his point hard, the bet wins 80-to-1.
\n\t5) If the shooter 7s out or makes his point easy, the bet loses.<\/p>\n
\nReplies:<\/h3>\n
\n\t\t75\t 14.70%
\n\t\t76\t 13.58%
\n\t\t77\t 12.46%
\n\t\t78\t 11.34%
\n\t\t79\t 10.21%
\n\t\t80\t 9.09%
\n\t\t81\t 7.97%
\n\t\t82\t 6.85%
\n\t\t83\t 5.72%
\n\t\t84\t 4.60%
\n\t\t85\t 3.48%[\/pre]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n