{"id":9419,"date":"2016-04-27T00:54:08","date_gmt":"2016-04-27T00:54:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2016\/04\/27\/come-bet-payments-vs-place-bet-payments\/"},"modified":"2016-04-27T00:54:08","modified_gmt":"2016-04-27T00:54:08","slug":"come-bet-payments-vs-place-bet-payments","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2016\/04\/27\/come-bet-payments-vs-place-bet-payments\/","title":{"rendered":"Come Bet payments vs Place Bet payments"},"content":{"rendered":"


\nBelow is a chart I made for myself some time ago. Looks like once I hit the preview on my typed post that the chart shows up differently than I originally typed. The columns that correspond with the numbers are Odds, Total Bet Amount, Win\/Come Bet w Odds, Win Place Bet. I apologize and hope everyone can figure out the gist of it.<\/p>\n

\tI always play in a 3X, 4X, 5X odds market. I was trying to evaluate these two types of bets since I never seem to do well with Come Bets. I really don’t see any reason for me to use Come Bets in the market I play in. If fact I can think of a few reasons to pick Place Bets over Come Bets although I don’t ever really think Come Bets are a bad bet. <\/p>\n

\tJust putting this out for any one else who might be interested. Any discussion or comments on the good or bad of either bet is appreciated. Hopefully I am not stepping on anyone’s toes since I think GTC teaches Come Betting. Just interested in generating some thoughts on betting practices and the whys of each.<\/p>\n

\tI will let a few people comment and I may add some more of my thoughts later but am on my way out right now.<\/p>\n

\tThanks everyone for any response and thoughts.<\/p>\n

\n\tCome Bets vs. Place Bets Payments<\/p>\n

\tAssume a $10 Table and Vig on win only for the 4 and 10.<\/p>\n

\n\t4 and 10<\/p>\n

\tOdds Total Bet Amount Win\/Come Bet w Odds Win Place Bet <\/p>\n

\t3X $40 $70 $80 (-vig)
\n\t4X $50 $90 $100 (-vig)
\n\t5X $60 $110 $120 (-vig)
\n\t6X $70 $130 $140 (-vig)
\n\t7X $80 $150 $160 (-vig)
\n\t8X $90 $170 $180 (-vig)
\n\t9X $100 $190 $200 (-vig)
\n\t10X $110 $210 $220 (-vig)<\/p>\n

\t5 and 9<\/p>\n

\tOdds Total Bet Amount Win\/Come Bet w Odds Win Place Bet <\/p>\n

\t4X $50 $70 $70
\n\t5X $60 $85 $84
\n\t6X $70 $100 $98
\n\t7X $80 $115 $112
\n\t8X $90 $130 $126
\n\t9X $100 $145 $140
\n\t10X $110 $160 $154<\/p>\n

\n\t6 and 8 *<\/p>\n

\tOdds Total Amount Bet Win\/Come Bet w Odds Win Place Bet<\/p>\n

\t5X $60 $70 $70
\n\t6X $70 (72) $82 $84
\n\t7X $80 (78) $94 $91
\n\t8X $90 $106 $105
\n\t9X $100 (102) $118 $119
\n\t10X $110 (108) $130 $126<\/p>\n

\n\t*Place bets on the 6 & 8 must be multiples of $6. Number is parenthesis is Place Bet amount if different from Come Bet amount.<\/p>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Berto on April 27, 2016, 1:09 pm<\/p>\n

Use <\/p>\n
 <\/pre>\n
 tags around your tables of numbers and you’ll get fixed-width fonts that will line ’em up.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on April 28, 2016, 5:05 am<\/p>\n
I have had trouble with come betting .So I some times will work with both instead .That has worked better the few times that I did it .
\n\tI hoped that bringing up the old posts would draw more  to your post .
\n\tI hope to see more reply’s to this .
\n\tWill you guys be coming to Vegas soon ?
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude42  \ud83d\ude42<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> sevenout on May 10, 2016, 3:33 pm<\/p>\n
I used to be a 6\/8 place bettor, but have converted to come bets for a couple of reasons. <\/p>\n
\tPoint 7 out sting just a little bit less with come bets. I lose my line bet\/odds but get a consolation prize.<\/p>\n
\tIt gets me on the numbers I happen to be rolling that day. I have had many 10+ hands without a 6,8 or a winning pass line bet. That seems to happen more than going up on say 4 and 10, then not hitting either.<\/p>\n
\tThe math is still on my side when I start to spread out. With 6\/8 start, when I spread to 5\/9 or 4\/10 (vig paid up front in my area  \ud83d\ude41 ), I am giving up more to the House.<\/p>\n
\tThere aren’t many things better than Off and On with Max odds.<\/p>\n
\tCome out 7’s suck, but getting all those odds back feels like a payday.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 16, 2017, 10:05 pm<\/p>\n
Bring this back may help a little .<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Cmcierra on March 17, 2017, 12:58 pm<\/p>\n
Just came back from Windsor casino.  Played my usual pass line with max odds and two numbers, either come bets with max odds or six \/ eight depending on point.  Had real good success using three numbers.  After one or two hits, I kept putting come bets down to cover rest of board.  After two days and three sessions, up three units.  Great tables and crew.<\/p>\n
\tCmcierra<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 18, 2017, 1:14 am<\/p>\n
Up 3 units does that add to 15.00 ?
\n\tJust was wondering .
\n\tGoodRolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Cmcierra on March 18, 2017, 6:11 pm<\/p>\n
No started with $500.<\/p>\n
\tCmcierra<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 18, 2017, 10:13 pm<\/p>\n
When you talk or anybody talks about a unite I think in terms of the size that they bet on each bet .I am a player that byes in for 200.00 so my unite bet is 5.00 if possible .Or 6.00 on the 6 or 8 .
\n\tAt 500.00 a unite what is your bye in ?
\n\tWhen I play I say up one unite and the dealers know how much that is .
\n\tDo they realise what your unite bet is ?
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> SevenTimesSeven on March 19, 2017, 1:50 am<\/p>\n
Seems Cmcierra means his buyin was $500 and in the end he was up
\n\tthree times his buyin, meaning he won $1500.
\n\tHe was confusing "buyin" with "unit" bets.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 19, 2017, 6:47 am<\/p>\n
Just did not want to ASSUME anything that I would regret . \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00 
\n\tI like the charts that Clll use to put up . Sure do miss them .
\n\tI would be happy with a win like that .
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Cmcierra on March 19, 2017, 2:55 pm<\/p>\n
Correct, sorry for the confusion.  My unit bet is $30 on 6 & 8 and $25 on the rest.  <\/p>\n
\tCmcierra<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 20, 2017, 6:52 am<\/p>\n
That would be a 5 unite bet on each one for me . So when I tell the dealer up one unite he will increase that bet by 5.00 0r 6.00 depending .
\n\tSeems like that was a good 3 session trip to me . \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00 
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Cmcierra on March 20, 2017, 11:58 am<\/p>\n
Thanks Finisher, yes my best to date.  The crew were very professional and pleasant.  If anyone is heading to the Detroit area, I suggest giving them a shot.  Not to crowded and very good conditions.  The tables were not to bouncy and have a low back wall.  They have four regular tables and two crapless tables, although only three were open at any time.<\/p>\n
\tCmcierra<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Cmcierra on March 20, 2017, 11:59 am<\/p>\n
The casino is in Windsor, Ontario.<\/p>\n
\tCmcierra<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 20, 2017, 5:00 pm<\/p>\n
I don’t travel much that way since my bones dont like the Cold any more .If I ever get that way will give them a try . Thanks for the info tho .
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Mr.PiP on March 20, 2017, 5:29 pm<\/p>\n
Hi, <\/p>\n
\tHope this helps.  In class we are taught PL, Come, Come betting with max odds.  I am the type of person that needs to see to believe so as part of my daily practice. I do a PL, Come, Come betting drill.   I started out with a make believe bankroll of $3000 balance.  I have performed 93 sessions without going bust.  The last sessions were very profitable. Here is my betting process.  <\/p>\n
\tHere are my Simulation and betting rules I will follow when I go live play.  
\n\t(I have to say I was surprised at the power of this betting over the long run as I use to do hedging of my pl and come bets and do other bad things…lol) <\/p>\n
\t============================================================================
\n\tThe make-believe table is a $10 dollar Table with 5X odds  
\n\tNotes : 
\n\t       a)  During simulation I play with clay chips and a small rail so when I am in live play I just get into routine. 
\n\t       b)  When I started my SRR was 6.00 and during the last sessions it has improved to around 6.30-6.53 <\/p>\n
\t1) I buy in with $600 per hand in a session 
\n\t2) PL and Come bets with max odds. 
\n\t3) After the 3rd hit I start covering a place bet on my 6\/8 or both with $12 
\n\t4) After the 5th hit of a max odds bet I go in with a 4th Come bet and reset the counter
\n\t5) I play only up to 10 hands per session 
\n\t6) I stop the session if I am up with a 200 or more profit and the hand count is low. Or if I can not cover 3 bets <\/p>\n
\tNote for:  #3 for each hit I press $6  I start back to $12 when its not covered
\n\tTotal Sessions:\t93
\n\tSession Wins:\t47
\n\tSession Losses:\t46
\n\tTotal Hands Played:\t612
\n\tTotal # Bets\t:      1836
\n\tTotal Amt Winning Sessions: \t$18066 
\n\tTotal Amt of Losing Sessions:      ($15458)
\n\tProfit to date : $2608
\n\tStarting Balance: $3000
\n\tCurrent Balance: $5608<\/p>\n
\t– Mr. PiP<\/p>\n
\n Attached files <\/legend>\n
 <\/a> <\/fieldset>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 21, 2017, 5:24 am<\/p>\n
That is 260.00  a day .
\n\tGood Rolling.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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