{"id":9405,"date":"2016-04-14T02:16:36","date_gmt":"2016-04-14T02:16:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2016\/04\/14\/target-shooting-or-sniping\/"},"modified":"2016-04-14T02:16:36","modified_gmt":"2016-04-14T02:16:36","slug":"target-shooting-or-sniping","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2016\/04\/14\/target-shooting-or-sniping\/","title":{"rendered":"Target Shooting or Sniping"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nI want to ask the GTC community of those that practice throwing on their home table for their experiences relative to target shooting or what I call SNIPING.<\/p>\n<p>\tScenario:<br \/>\n\tEvery day I spend 45 minutes or more practicing on my home table. (Hard way set all the time). Sometimes I\u2019ll simulate betting. Other times I\u2019ll shoot till I seven out &#8211; counting my tosses trying to get to 20-30-40 and so on. Then again I will throw to see how many points I can make before seven-ing out, and sometimes a combination of all of these. I\u2019ll also record my throws in the Bonetracker \u2122 spread sheet I came across.<\/p>\n<p>\tSometimes the throwing gets mundane. During one of those mundane sessions I looked out at what I had thrown and what money I had on the table. Then it dawned on me, what is the best number to hit to maximize my return? My practices took a different direction. I would throw for a while betting as I usually do, then when I 5 count qualify I\u2019ll start to target specific numbers.<\/p>\n<p>\t(Need to explain how this came about. While recording throws in Bonetracker, I would throw sets of 36 rolls using the hard way 2&#215;2, then 3&#215;3, 4&#215;4 and 5&#215;5. I would compare the block of 36 against the normal distribution curve. I quickly found out that using particular hardway sets I would hit certain numbers more and other numbers less.)<\/p>\n<p>\tNot only would I target specific numbers, but I would target the point I had established to cash in on the pass line odds. I have found out with the way I throw (revolutions, arm speed, arc) when I set the:<br \/>\n\t2&#215;2, I hit more 2-3, 2-2, 5-5,<br \/>\n\t3&#215;3, I hit more 3-5, 3-3, 4-4, <br \/>\n\t4&#215;4, I hit more 4-2, 4-4 3-3, <br \/>\n\t5&#215;5, I hit more  5-4, 5-5, 2-2,<\/p>\n<p>\tAm curious if others have also found this out, that setting on different hardways you tend to hit some numbers more than others.<\/p>\n<p>\tAm interested to hear your experiences.<\/p>\n<p>\tScooter<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on April 14, 2016, 5:10 am<\/p>\n<div>Well I have not really looked at that .But have recorded a lot of throws in most sets and have them down in a form that will tell me vary easy .<br \/>\n\tI do this all by hand during practice with betting and having chips in the way as in real casino play .<br \/>\n\tI will take a little look at past sheets and let you know . I am interested in seeing if there is some thing there .I some times change my set in real play but have not do that much in practice . If I do change the set in practice I will go to a new sheet to record . I also use paper that has been used for some thing before that I use to just throw away .<br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude42  \ud83d\ude42<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> OneMoonCircles on April 14, 2016, 6:45 am<\/p>\n<div>Scooter,<\/p>\n<p>\tI switched to a 2V set a long time ago. When you reach a certain level it or the 3V are better because your on axis performance increases and you get more<br \/>\n\tdouble pitch outs.<\/p>\n<p>\tHere is what I have found with the 2V with thumb on 6-3. I get 20% more 6&#8217;s than 8&#8217;s. I get more fives and nines. I also get more hard 10&#8217;s and 4&#8217;s. With the<br \/>\n\t2V set with thumb on 6-4  I get 20% more 8&#8217;s than 6&#8217;s, less nines than 5&#8217;s more 4&#8217;s and 10&#8217;s both hard and soft way. This is a discovery I made last year. I had only<br \/>\n\tbeen throwing with the 6-3 version but Dom challenged me so I threw 3000 rolls as a test with the 6-4 at the thumb. This has changed the way I bet now.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf I have the 6 or 9 on the comeout I use the 6-3. If I have 4, 5, 8, 10 on the comeout I set the 6-4. On  either set I always have the 6 and 8 covered as place<br \/>\n\tbets if they are not the point. I am making more money than before. I am making my points of 4 and 10 way more often than in the past. I recognize any <br \/>\n\tdouble pitch from either version of the 2V and if it was not a 7 I get real conscious of my throw. This has led to many less 2-5  double pitch 7 outs.<\/p>\n<p>\tYou will need thousands of rolls to have a good sampling. I have passed 115,000 documented practice rolls so know well of what I speak. Switching sets should<br \/>\n\tnot be done until you have proven to yourself what the outcomes MAY be. I set for the 7&#8217;s on the comeout and roll both at home and in the casino 50%+. I hop<br \/>\n\tthe 7&#8217;s and press until I miss and establish a point. I am consistently rolling 2 and 3 in a row this year. <\/p>\n<p>\tMy advise. Keep tracking your throws either by hand or bone tracker or GTC&#8217;s associates program.( the name escapes me at the moment) I do mine all by hand <br \/>\n\tand I collect a lot of information.  I throw 120 rolls to document each practice. Takes 1 1\/2 hours to throw and about 20 minutes to calculate all of the info<br \/>\n\tI collect. It is worth it to me. Remember as you get more proficient you may want to get away from the hardways.  I&#8217;m sure you will find out for yourself.<\/p>\n<p>\tGood luck and keep practicing!<\/p>\n<p>\tOneMoonCircles<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I want to ask the GTC community of those that practice throwing on their home table for their experiences relative to target shooting or what I call SNIPING. 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