{"id":8960,"date":"2015-06-30T14:53:44","date_gmt":"2015-06-30T14:53:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2015\/06\/30\/june-vegas-seminar-and-refreshers\/"},"modified":"2015-06-30T14:53:44","modified_gmt":"2015-06-30T14:53:44","slug":"june-vegas-seminar-and-refreshers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2015\/06\/30\/june-vegas-seminar-and-refreshers\/","title":{"rendered":"June Vegas Seminar and Refreshers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nBack from the Vegas seminar.  Came back with a bunch of cash and spent almost as much as I came back with (including paying for the seminar and the next refresher) so up a bunch. So, even with plane, seminar and other expenses &#8212; Bali Hai is a good golf course and close to the strip &#8212; only $150 if you book online and $150 if you complain that it was the online price even if you have to call &#8212;  I came out of there with a good profit and a wonderful set of experiences in and out of the seminar.     Did play tired yesterday am and had a loss as my last play  (I can see Dom shaking his head like he does as he reads this because I played tired but, I am getting better&#8211;) but not terrible, I did quit before running out of money which is a win for me.<\/p>\n<p>\tIt was great.  This is my second refresher (first was in April).  The difference in my roll was apparent to everyone as they told me.  The difference in my consistency and size of bank roll is even better to know.<\/p>\n<p>\tAs I was in Memphis I am astonished that people were saying their last seminar was a year ago, 2 years ago or more.  As I said earlier, I teach docs a physical skill.  I tell them they need at least 3 but better 5 or 6 seminars the first year to get decently good.    I can tell you it is the same with this.<\/p>\n<p>\tNot just my rolling but my understanding of what is occurring expanded greatly.  And, like with what I teach, I have discovered from the student point of view that you have to have a certain amount of experience to even begin to understand what some of the instructors are saying.    I heard things this time that were just noise to me in April because of not enough experience throwing and not enough knowledge to have a basis for understanding.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf you are not coming to 2 or 3 of these seminars each year I promise you that you are missing out on lots of fun and a heck of a lot or wins.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf you are concerned about the money&#8230;    Welllllll,  a long time ago before going to a practice management seminar when someone else complained about the cost I heard a guy say, wanting to make the money before spending it to go to the seminar is like a farmer telling his field that if it gave him some corn he would then plant some&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tThe guy said it was backward thinking&#8230;    being who I am I piped up, backward thinking hell, it is just stupid.<\/p>\n<p>\tSign up for the next seminar now.   I have already signed for Shreveport and am pissed the next Vegas seminar is a weekend I am teaching my seminars&#8230;<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> MikeS on June 30, 2015, 3:06 pm<\/p>\n<div>Thank you for the perspective JesJac.  Vegas was my Primer session and it was productive &amp; satisfying. I look forward to my Refresher!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> MIDNIGHT on June 30, 2015, 4:31 pm<\/p>\n<div>Great post and so so true.  Thanks for posting and it was great seeing you again.  Congrats on the win.<\/p>\n<p>\tMidnight<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on June 30, 2015, 6:02 pm<\/p>\n<div>\u201cTwo things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I&#8217;m not sure about the universe.\u201d<br \/>\n\t\u2015 Albert Einstein<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on June 30, 2015, 11:49 pm<\/p>\n<div>The roll of an instructor is to help the students improve and become a skilled dice controller.  The Primer class is about trying to assist the student develop their GRIP, pick-up delivery and toss.  the thing we say the most to the primers is slow down, it is natural to want to hurry up and deliver the dice.  Where does it all begin, with the GRIP.  If you can&#8217;t grip the dice you can not toss them effectively.<\/p>\n<p>\tMy first question when I see Refresher students or those who sign up for a Tune-up is how many hours per week do you work on your GRIP.  The average answer is 0:00, yes 0:00.  My answer is how the hell do you expect to throw the dice with any skill if you can not pick them up and hold them properly.  I get flustered with this answer.  You want to improve your toss but you do not start at the beginning which is Grip.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe other part about taking multiple classes is that until you are taught the basics you can not understand some of the finer points which we need to impart to you when you take a refresher class and the best shooters have taken multiple refresher classes 3 -4 of them before moving on to the Advanced class where NFF and BTK will bring you to next level of achievement.  Then these students will take multiple Advanced classes and also return for another Refresher class just to have a few glitches removed that they develop.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe GTC Instructors all have our toss looked at by the other instructors because we develop minor flaws in our toss.<\/p>\n<p>\tJesse is right on the money when he talks about taking multiple class along with many others who have done so.<\/p>\n<p>\tthanks Jesse for the positive enforcement.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> JesJac on July 1, 2015, 2:34 am<\/p>\n<div>Finesse is right.<br \/>\n\tGot a  tune up from Dom when I knew something was off. Corrected something with my grip and said this is more than 90%. Without this being right the rest, setting, straight, etc. doesn&#8217;t really matter.<\/p>\n<p>\tWas wondering if that really was an Einstein quote. It is. This one too along similar lines,<\/p>\n<p>\t&quot;The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>\tGet one of those gripper tools and use it to compare tips to ideal.<\/p>\n<p>\tAs I noted, I teach docs. People who know me think I will be tough to teach because I am always telling others.  It is the opposite, when people follow my directions they accomplish what I say they will.<\/p>\n<p>\tSo, I try to follow directions. Including practice and how to practice.<\/p>\n<p>\tBy the way, this is a passion for Dom and his instructors.they make more before and after class playing than from the seminars.  I have seen this. Why do I mention that?<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen they tell you to do something that will cost you money, it is not because they need it, it is because you do.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on July 1, 2015, 6:57 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&quot;JesJac&quot; wrote:<\/strong> Was wondering if that really was an Einstein quote. It is. This one too along similar lines,<\/p>\n<p>\t&quot;The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.&quot;\n\t<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\tActually, there is no evidence that this is a quote by Einstein.  Below are my two sources.  The first is from Princeton University, the second from Shimer College.<\/p>\n<p>\t&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-  <\/p>\n<p>\tQuote Investigator: There is no substantive evidence that Einstein made this statement. Indeed, it is listed in a section called \u201cProbably Not By Einstein\u201d within the comprehensive reference \u201cThe Ultimate Quotable Einstein\u201d from Princeton University Press. 1<\/p>\n<p>\t1      2010, The Ultimate Quotable Einstein, Edited by Alice Calaprice, Section: Probably Not By Einstein, Page 478, Princeton University Press, Princeton, New Jersey. (Verified on paper)<\/p>\n<p>\t&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i60.tinypic.com\/5kn9fs.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> JesJac on July 1, 2015, 12:12 pm<\/p>\n<div>\ud83d\ude42<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Butcher on July 5, 2015, 9:38 pm<\/p>\n<div>It was great meeting you Jesse.  Congrats on your success!  I agree with your perspective on multiple classes.  This was my fourth refresher and I have learned new things with each one.  I think this time around Mr. Finesse finally got through my thick skull how important it is to constantly work on the grip.  So I made a commitment to practice my grip at least 30 min a day every day.  Haven&#8217;t missed a day since I returned.  Thanks to all the instructors I worked with this past weekend.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> NickatNight on July 6, 2015, 5:20 pm<\/p>\n<div>J- Check is in mail&#8230;(just kidding)  All you say is so true. The instructors do express the improvement of students when we have our meetings. This is also a time when Dom  might want to Tweek the instructors to do this or that in what he sees could improve our teachings also.<\/p>\n<p>\tThanks for the imput.<\/p>\n<p>\tAdolfo R. Expresses himself in an email to us and I want to say how proud I am of his accomplishments and that he knows he see his journey to become a great student of the game we love. I know he will and all of you who practice and follow what you learned will have great stories to tell.<\/p>\n<p>\tSee ya-all on that next stop in our journey&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tNickatNight<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Back from the Vegas seminar. Came back with a bunch of cash and spent almost as much as I came back with (including paying for the seminar and the next refresher) so up a bunch. 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