{"id":8826,"date":"2015-04-09T00:49:42","date_gmt":"2015-04-09T00:49:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2015\/04\/09\/beating-the-house-from-ben-affleck-to-phil-ivey\/"},"modified":"2015-04-09T00:49:42","modified_gmt":"2015-04-09T00:49:42","slug":"beating-the-house-from-ben-affleck-to-phil-ivey","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2015\/04\/09\/beating-the-house-from-ben-affleck-to-phil-ivey\/","title":{"rendered":"Beating the House: From Ben Affleck to Phil Ivey"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nBy Eliot Jacobson, Ph.D.<\/p>\n<p>\tThere were two articles in the news over the last week having to do with players getting the edge over the house. In one case, an article in the Baltimore Sun <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baltimoresun.com\/business\/bs-bz-counting-cards-20150328-story.html#page=1\">http:\/\/www.baltimoresun.com\/business\/bs-bz-counting-cards-20150328-story.html#page=1<\/a>described the travails of professional poker player Joseph Stiers who was banned from all Caesars properties for card counting. In particular, Stiers will not be allowed to play in the World Series of Poker this year. The other article, in Card Player magazine <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cardplayer.com\/poker-news\/18578-judge-denies-poker-pro-phil-ivey-s-request-to-dismiss-9-6-million-borgata-lawsuit\">http:\/\/www.cardplayer.com\/poker-news\/18578-judge-denies-poker-pro-phil-ivey-s-request-to-dismiss-9-6-million-borgata-lawsuit<\/a>, addressed the ongoing lawsuit between famous poker player Phil Ivey and the Borgata over Ivey\u2019s use of \u201cedge sorting\u201d to win over $9.6 million playing baccarat.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen the famous actor-director Ben Affleck was backed off for card counting at the Hard Rock Casino in Las Vegas in April, 2014, his story was similar to Stiers. Affleck\u2019s affection for card games is well known, including his passion for Hold\u2019em poker. Affleck has been playing in cash poker tournaments for over a decade and has tried his luck several times in the World Series of Poker. Affleck commented that, \u201dOnce I became decent (at blackjack), the casinos asked me not to play.\u201d His story made headlines for weeks.<\/p>\n<p>\tStiers and Affleck used a method of advantage play that has been an industry obsession for over 50 years. Even a recent episode of The Simpsons featured card counting. Every casino that offers blackjack has some understanding of how card counting works and how to identify card counters. In the wake of the MIT team, the \u201cHoly Rollers\u201d and other professional card counting teams and individuals, casinos are on guard whenever a high-roller makes a wager. No wonder card counters are quickly identified and backed off.<\/p>\n<p>\tPhil Ivey, on the other hand, chose a little-known and much more profitable method of advantage play. Back in 2012, Ivey\u2019s used \u201cedge sorting\u201d to beat baccarat at the Borgata casino in Atlantic City and Crockford\u2019s casino in London. Before the lawsuits by Ivey against Crockford\u2019s and Borgata against Ivey became public, very few players or industry insiders had ever heard of edge sorting. There were no books written on topic. There were no famous edge sorting teams. There were no movies featuring edge sorting. Meanwhile, the profit possible by edge sorting dwarfs that attainable by blackjack card counting. Few in the industry know today that edge sorting can also be used to beat blackjack as well as a host of newer proprietary games.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe reason Ivey\u2019s story is remarkable is not that he was pegged as an advantage player; it\u2019s the sheer magnitude of his wins. Between Borgata and Crockford\u2019s, Phil Ivey netted over $21.7 million in profit. That\u2019s more than his lifetime winnings as a professional poker player (estimated at $21.4 million, according to Ivey\u2019s profile on bluff.com). Ivey\u2019s stunning yield was earned over only four brief trips to Borgata and one trip to Crockford\u2019s. By contrast, it took several years for Holy Rollers to earn about $5 million in total card counting profit. Even the famous MIT blackjack card counting team, as glorified in the 2003 book \u201cBringing Down the House\u201d and the 2008 movie \u201c21,\u201d won significantly less than Ivey did.<\/p>\n<p>\tEdge sorting is not the end of the story when it comes to advanced advantage play. There are many other sophisticated methods being used to crush the house. One has to look no further than the story of Don Johnson, the player who beat Atlantic City out of $15 million in 2011 by exploiting the loss rebate incentives he negotiated. Johnson tried to give the appearance of a party-happy high-roller, while behind the scenes he had mathematicians helping him determine optimal strategies to beat the loss rebate incentives he negotiated. Loss rebates continue to be one of the favorite targets of top advantage players.<\/p>\n<p>\tAs avid poker players, there can be little doubt that both Joseph Stiers and Ben Affleck have been following Phil Ivey\u2019s edge sorting lawsuits. But even with this knowledge, these individuals chose to be card counters. As a result, they were quickly identified and backed off. While Stiers and Affleck may never get to play another hand of blackjack, those who are beating the house using more sophisticated methods are quietly celebrating from the shadows. The casino industry is quick to forget the hard lessons it learns.<\/p>\n<p>\tEliot Jacobson\u2019s new book, \u201cAdvanced Advantage Play, Beating and Safeguarding Modern Casino Table Games, Side Bets and Promotions,\u201d is now available from Amazon.com. It is the first book to give in-depth coverage to advanced methods such as edge sorting and beating loss rebates.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> TommyC on April 9, 2015, 2:26 am<\/p>\n<div>This article makes  me feel dumb for trying to beat then w\/ a slight edge at video poker.  lol<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on April 9, 2015, 9:45 pm<\/p>\n<div>That article should have also dealt with Dice Control!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Eliot Jacobson, Ph.D. There were two articles in the news over the last week having to do with players getting the edge over the house. In one case, an article in the Baltimore Sun http:\/\/www.baltimoresun.com\/business\/bs-bz-counting-cards-20150328-story.html#page=1described the travails of professional&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":36,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8826","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8826","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/36"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8826"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8826\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8826"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8826"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8826"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}