{"id":8681,"date":"2015-02-20T03:25:14","date_gmt":"2015-02-20T03:25:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2015\/02\/20\/question-from-a-student\/"},"modified":"2015-02-20T03:25:14","modified_gmt":"2015-02-20T03:25:14","slug":"question-from-a-student","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2015\/02\/20\/question-from-a-student\/","title":{"rendered":"Question from a student"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nI received a question regarding counting hits when using The Big Skinny from a student.  I thought the question and answer would be of benefit to others.  Thus, I am posting both the question and my answer here for all to see.<\/p>\n<p>\tQuestion:<\/p>\n<p>\tWithin your post, you note: &quot;I do not start my progression until I have collected 8 times (8 hits). I use chips in my rail to tell me which numbers I have hit and how many hits I have. &quot;<\/p>\n<p>\tI do use chips to count my hand, but this sounds like you&#8217;re counting each box number hit individually as well. How do you do this, especially given the small rail space on some tables?<\/p>\n<p>\tAnswer:<\/p>\n<p>\tI use the bottom rail to count the hits and repeats. My betting and winning chips are all in my top rail. I lay a single chip, positionally in the bottom rail for every hit. I stack up multiple hits on the same number so that I can easily see when I am repeating numbers. I put a single chip in the far left position laying flat for a hit on the 4, a single chip to the right of it for a hit on the 5, and so forth with a single chip on the far right for a hit on the 10.<\/p>\n<p>\tAfter eight hits, I put the chips back in the top rail and start all over counting my double parked hits in the same manner. At that point, I know if I am hitting any repeating numbers and take action based on what I decide to do about it if anything.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf I decide to go to a press and pull on a double parked number (because I am really hitting a specific number) I will use a larger denomination chip for a pull and a smaller one for a press. That way I know what to do on the next hit and don&#8217;t have to remember it in my head.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> HardNine on February 20, 2015, 5:33 pm<\/p>\n<div>Thanks for answering, Skinny, I love these kinds of tips!<\/p>\n<p>\tOthers, bring on more tips (with specifics).<\/p>\n<p>\tHappy rolling, see many of you in AC!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Jumbotron Ron on February 21, 2015, 3:49 pm<\/p>\n<div>Great info Skinny! I have 2 questions. 1. Do you count the length of the roll at all? 2. Being that I don&#8217;t have the funds yet to max out on a 10x table, do you think it is better to go with a pass line bet 3x odds and 3 come bets 3x odds or a pass line bet 5x odds and 2 come bets 5x odds?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on February 21, 2015, 4:35 pm<\/p>\n<div>Ron, I am no expert  at the math of the game, but I will give this a shot as to what I have learned from Skinny, Dom, Finesse and many of the other instructors that have helped me over the years.<\/p>\n<p>\tBottom line, the more odds you can put on a given pass line bet and\/or come bet the lower the house advantage (HA for short).  So 3 bets with 3 times odds would have an ever so slightly higher HA over 2 bets with 5 times odds and one bet with 10 times odds would have the lowest HA.  Should you venture to Shreveport\/Bossier City Louisiana, where every casino in the area offer 20 or 100 times odds.  100 times odds brings the HA virtually zero. I can&#8217;t quote you the exact math but this only makes sense to me. I know I don&#8217;t have the bankroll for 100 times odds, so I bet less and in a long roll it is easy to increase one&#8217;s odds.  <\/p>\n<p>\tHope that will help and if I am off base a little, surely someone will chime in.<\/p>\n<p>\tAn excellent question and one that will help others to learn.  Is this a great web site or what???<\/p>\n<p>\tDoc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> SevenTimesSeven on February 21, 2015, 5:08 pm<\/p>\n<div>Doc,<br \/>\n\tI can see the math works for comparing two cases with different odds on the same flat bet<br \/>\n\ton one number.<br \/>\n\tBut in this case isn&#8217;t Ron comparing essentially two cases of bets on different numbers,<br \/>\n\twith the difference in odds thrown in, resulting in spreading the numbers that <br \/>\n\tcan be winners? Would the answer be somewhat more convoluted?<br \/>\n\t7&#215;7<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on February 22, 2015, 9:24 am<\/p>\n<div>Doc is correct.  Say you have $10 on the line.  Given Ron&#8217;s question we have two situations.<\/p>\n<p>\tA.  With 3 line bets and 3X odds you have $30 at risk with a 1.4% HA and $90 at risk with a 0% HA.<\/p>\n<p>\tB.  With 2 line bets and 5X odds you have $20 at risk with a 1.4% HA and $100 at risk with a 0% HA.<\/p>\n<p>\tIn both cases you are risking $120 but clearly B is the one with the lower HA.<\/p>\n<p>\tOne thing that A would have going for it is that it takes a bit longer to get your initial amount at risk on the table.  When you seven out before getting up on the third number you save that one bet.<\/p>\n<p>\tNever the less, I prefer B as a strategy.  Furthermore, since I know you are an aggressive player, I think you could spread to 3 numbers after your first hit and then proceed with The Big Skinny as I originally laid it out from there on.  With one hit in your rails you would be risking slightly less than $120 with 3 numbers having $180 on the table.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Jumbotron Ron on February 22, 2015, 3:32 pm<\/p>\n<div>Thanks buddy, I appreciate the insight.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I received a question regarding counting hits when using The Big Skinny from a student. I thought the question and answer would be of benefit to others. 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