\nWSOP winner, Phil Ivey, says he didn\u2019t cheat to win $22M<\/p>\n
\tLAS VEGAS \u2014 Phil Ivey, a 10-time World Series of Poker winner, said he did not cheat when he won nearly $22 million playing baccarat at casinos in New Jersey and London.<\/p>\n
\tIvey told \u201c60 Minutes Sports\u201d for an interview to be broadcast Tuesday that there is a difference between increasing one\u2019s odds and cheating. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the interview.<\/p>\n
\t\u201cI\u2019m viewing the casino as my opponent,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019s my job to try to exploit weaknesses in the house and try to give myself the best opportunity to win.\u201d<\/p>\n
\tThe Borgata in Atlantic City and Crockfords in London say Ivey cheated them out of millions of dollars when he played baccarat there in 2012. They say he essentially kept track of card values by watching for design imperfections on the backsides of the cards.<\/p>\n
\tThe Borgata is suing Ivey to recoup $9.6 million it paid him in winnings, while Ivey is suing Crockfords for nearly $12 million after it refused to pay.<\/p>\n
\tThe poker star said the casinos agreed to certain conditions that gave him an advantage before he agreed to gamble with a few million dollars.<\/p>\n
\tHe asked for a specific brand of playing cards, a shuffling machine, an Asian dealer and that the same card decks be used. The casinos granted all of those requests. Ivey said each of those conditions was used to get an edge, including bringing a companion with him who spoke Mandarin who could communicate with the dealer. The shuffling machine, for example, would keep the cards in a certain order, he said.<\/p>\n
\tBut casino officials said in court filings that they were under the impression Ivey\u2019s conditions were based on superstition and not to gain an advantage.<\/p>\n
\tOfficials with The Borgata and Crockfords didn\u2019t participate in the television interview because the companies don\u2019t comment on pending litigation.<\/p>\n
\t\u201cSome people believe that it was cheating,\u201d Ivey said. \u201cI know it wasn\u2019t. The professional gamblers know it\u2019s not. I wouldn\u2019t do anything close to cheating. I mean, my reputation is everything in gambling.\u201d<\/p>\n
Posted by:<\/strong> MIDNIGHT on October 7, 2014, 5:40 pm<\/p>\n \tI don’t believe he did anything wrong. It is the responsibility of the casino to make sure their games can not be exploited. They can bring in continuous shuffle machines. But if Phil Ivey was able to keep track of the cards because of a misprint on those cards, he is not at fault. In fact I commend him. I wish I was that smart.<\/p>\n \n\tMidnight<\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> DoughBoy on October 7, 2014, 6:46 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Jim T on October 7, 2014, 8:00 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> RFink13 on October 9, 2014, 12:35 am<\/p>\n \tRichInMich<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> sevenout on October 9, 2014, 4:10 am<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> OneMoonCircles on October 9, 2014, 4:41 am<\/p>\n \tOMC<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> sevenout on October 9, 2014, 2:18 pm<\/p>\n \t Usually it is the box on that shift that will make that "policy".<\/p>\n \tAgain, would it be considered "cheating" if the casino allows it?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> NickatNight on October 9, 2014, 3:36 pm<\/p>\n \tDice controller as stated by others use the dice provided and we practice so hard to get the edge that would decrease the randomness of the toss.<\/p>\n \tCard counters and great poker players are just that. They practice and know the cards and odds along with the weakness of their component players.<\/p>\n \tNow, the real people that I think are liable are the company that made the defective cards that have the flaws on their cards. Let them pay Ivy.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> RFink13 on October 10, 2014, 3:13 am<\/p>\n \tIf you asked the casino for defective dice and the casino willingly provided them, is it cheating? Sure it is, the casino employee(s) that provided the dice would be in on it.<\/p>\n \tThe question remains why would a casino willingly provide "defective" cards and actively assist the players "cheat" using them. Would a casino allow a dealer to tell the players, the next card is a low or high one, place your bets. That is in effect, what happened.<\/p>\n \tRichInMich<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on October 10, 2014, 5:15 am<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> TommyC on October 10, 2014, 2:05 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on October 10, 2014, 8:54 pm<\/p>\n \tIn that case the judge ruled in favor of the players.<\/p>\n \thttp:\/\/www.goldentouchcasino.net\/forum\/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9091&p=25219&hilit<\/a><\/p>\n \tThis is the same situation. Phil Ivey noticed a pattern on the back of the cards that he could use to his advantage.<\/p>\n \tIn both cases the casino is at fault for not recognizing they had a problem with the cards they were using. Their recourse should be with the company that supplied the cards not the players.<\/p>\n \tThe players did not mark the cards or take any illegal action to influence the cards.<\/p>\n \tIf requesting a specific deck of cards and a certain type of dealer is illegal the casino should not have granted Ivey’s request. In addition, I am certain they had casino management observing the game for the type of money that was being played. The casino allowed this to occur and should be required to pay their losses.<\/p>\n \tCasinos have no problem giving players free drinks to try to impair their judgement when gambling. They try to keep players in the game by having no windows or clocks on the gaming floor so folks lose track of time. They hire psychologists to determine what type of colors and patterns to use on the gaming floor to encourage gamblers to play. They offer games where the mathematics heavily favor the casino.<\/p>\n \tIn other words, casinos have no problem stacking the deck in their favor. But when the shoe is on the other foot, they cry foul. What is good for the goose (casino) should be good for the gander (player).<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on October 10, 2014, 10:35 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> NickatNight on October 11, 2014, 2:52 pm<\/p>\n \tGreat interview. Phil prewired the bucks up front as they requested and the Casino granted Phils requests! <\/p>\n \tthe CBS Sports interview answered many question. Watch it if you can ..<\/p>\n \tGood fortune to all of you in the Casinos<\/p>\n \tNickatNight<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Pit Boss on October 11, 2014, 5:38 pm<\/p>\n
\n\tCasinos pay lots to find loop holes for them to use period no questions asked most of the time .
\n\tThey pay good money for good cards which they did not get .
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude42 \ud83d\ude42<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tWhen he wins, they start crying and don’t want to pay him. Ever missed the back wall and no one said anything ? Have you missed the back wall on the same table around roll 20 and NOT get told to hit the back wall ? When you are losing the rules are looser than when you are winning. I think they should have paid him and learned from there mistakes. I’m sure the Judge was impartial also!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude42 \ud83d\ude42<\/div>\n<\/div>\n