{"id":7158,"date":"2014-03-28T18:34:12","date_gmt":"2014-03-28T18:34:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2014\/03\/28\/betting-strategies\/"},"modified":"2014-03-28T18:34:12","modified_gmt":"2014-03-28T18:34:12","slug":"betting-strategies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2014\/03\/28\/betting-strategies\/","title":{"rendered":"BETTING STRATEGIES"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nInternally, I&#8217;ve had a debate about whether to come bet or place bet while shooting.  Empirically, place betting the 6 and 8 seems to almost always result in better wins for me.  The most recent trip to Vegas, I carved up one of the casinos pretty good starting with a $12 6 &amp; 8.  At $30 each, I began racking $25 and placing $10 beginning with odds on the point (if not 6\/8) and thereafter inside out until all the numbers were covered.  You get the gist.  By the time the roll was over, all the remaining box numbers were pressed up to a minimum of $25, and when I sevened out, the 6 was at $210 and the 8 was at $150.<\/p>\n<p>\tMy point is not &#8216;look how good I am&#8217; but rather to air my doubt about the come betting systems.  I know for sure, based on a number of outings, that come betting would not have made me the money I&#8217;ve made place betting.<\/p>\n<p>\tSo&#8230;with that said, my theory is this:  Doesn&#8217;t placing the 6 &amp; 8 make more sense than come betting because of the fact that even with a 6.2 SRR, you have a stronger advantage over those two numbers?  I mean, doesn&#8217;t it make since to hand pick the easiest numbers to overcome, and isn&#8217;t that why a press and spread 6\/8 strategy is a good one?  At this point, I&#8217;m afraid to come bet for fear of leaving money on the table!  It seems like when I start with a 6\/8, I very commonly hit one of them at least once, even on a short roll.  Granted, a quick 7 out burns you, but more often than not, it seems you can overcome those things with a longer roll later.<\/p>\n<p>\tI&#8217;d be interested in exploring this some more.  I really had intended to come bet on this last trip, but I chickened out and went back to my old ways&#8230;and I think I&#8217;m glad I did.  What I really detest is getting 4 or 5 come bets with odds on the board and then getting a come out 7 after making a point.  Yes, you could then place the numbers you just lost, but it also seems to take longer to get all the box numbers covered by come betting with odds.  I know The Big Skinny made the rounds here, but I find that to be just too risky for me.  With a $30 6 &amp; 8 to start off, if you hit it twice, you&#8217;ve still reduced your risk on the layout considerably, even if you&#8217;ve spread to a couple of other numbers with each hit.  It seems like too many times, I&#8217;ve worked to get 3 non 6 &amp; 8 come bets on the board only to miss them while repeating the 6 &amp; 8.  I know nobody can predict what strategy will always work, but I&#8217;m getting pretty darn comfortable with the hit and spread 6\/8 strategy.<\/p>\n<p>\tSomebody talk me down here!<\/p>\n<p>\tAlamo<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> RFink13 on March 29, 2014, 12:03 am<\/p>\n<div>I agree with you.  I prefer to place the 6 and 8 with &quot;earned&quot; come bet.  When I feature out my smartcraps software I plan a writing a simulation.<\/p>\n<p>\tRich in Mich<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 29, 2014, 5:30 am<\/p>\n<div>AlamoTx  Have you tried placing the 6 &amp; 8 the make a come bet . If the 6 or 8 come up then you can take down your place bet and put full odds on the come with $ going to rack right away .If another box number comes up you will be on 3 numbers then . So wait till you hit the 6 or 8 or your come bet .Less no lay out .<br \/>\n\tI too hate to have to many come bets out there when I make the point .It just does not end well .<br \/>\n\tI have been trying a field bet when I set 2s hard way to spread .I take the win on it and place the 4 or 10 .I don&#8217;t know if I will try this in real play yet .<br \/>\n\tThe big skinny has not worked so far in practice for me . Up a unite seems to work better . But I try lots of ways in practice .<br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude42  \ud83d\ude42<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Scooter on April 5, 2014, 2:18 am<\/p>\n<div>AlamoTX,<br \/>\n\tI myself like to initially place the 6&amp;8 then play come bets. The place bets fund the come bets, then when the come bets hit I ask the crew to keep the come bet up (as a put bet) and press the odds. I believe the odds on the come bets are better than on place bets.<\/p>\n<p>\tThis works best on a 10x or 20x table, not the 3-4-5x that is common in most areas.<\/p>\n<p>\tScooter<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on April 6, 2014, 3:40 pm<\/p>\n<div>The betting strategies we have added to all levels of the GTC Class has helped out students tremendously.  If you have not taked a GTC Craps class what you will learn about proper betting would be worth the investment alone.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on April 27, 2016, 5:31 am<\/p>\n<div>GetaGrip I found this post from past just diden know if you had read it . Will look further for others I think there may be an old post on come bets v place bets .<br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude42  \ud83d\ude42<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> getagrip on April 28, 2016, 1:46 pm<\/p>\n<div>Thanks for bringing this post back. Good one! Yes, I have read everything on this forum at one time or other but I forget about these posts after a few years. I guess I just need to go back and read everything again every few years. Will try to do that a little at a time over the next few months.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Internally, I&#8217;ve had a debate about whether to come bet or place bet while shooting. Empirically, place betting the 6 and 8 seems to almost always result in better wins for me. The most recent trip to Vegas, I carved&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":18,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7158","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7158","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/18"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=7158"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7158\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=7158"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=7158"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=7158"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}