\nI recently lowered my throw
\n\tI throw from 7 1\/2 – 8 ft from back wall S1-2 post
\n\tMy station table set at 28 in abovefloor
\n\tI have height bar set now at 20 in above table at half point 4 ft from wall
\n\tThe research I found said height should be at 18 -22 in so that proper launch angle for dice
\n\tNow the problem Im having it seems I would have longer rolls before when I had height at 26 -27 in above table
\n\tNot sure which height should be using<\/p>\n
Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on November 29, 2013, 4:21 pm<\/p>\n \tGene you are worrying about advanced techniques and you have never taken a class nor have you ever had an instructor look at your toss, do not put the cart before of the horse.<\/p>\n \tPlease worry about your grip, dice sets and building a bank roll.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 29, 2013, 5:57 pm<\/p>\n "Mr Finesse" wrote:<\/strong> Please do not worry about the height of your toss. if you have the proper grip and the correct pressure on the dice the height of the toss is controlled by gravity. lastly with a correct 45 degree launch angle again the height is controlled by gravity’<\/p>\n \tGene you are worrying about advanced techniques and you have never taken a class nor have you ever had an instructor look at your toss, do not put the cart before of the horse.<\/p>\n \tPlease worry about your grip, dice sets and building a bank roll.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \tyes thanks Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on November 29, 2013, 6:41 pm<\/p>\n "GeneP" wrote:<\/strong> \n\tGene,<\/p>\n \tI don’t want to burst your bubble but those numbers are the same as those of a random roller. In fact, they are a tad worse than random but within the margin of error to be considered random.<\/p>\n \tA random roller could expect the following:<\/p>\n \thit hardways 11.1111 % throws \tAlso, if you are using the hardway set, any time you throw a seven it is considered a poor throw. It does not matter if it is on the come out roll or not. The purpose of the hardway set is to avoid the seven. The dice don’t know you when you are on a come out roll.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 29, 2013, 7:06 pm<\/p>\n "Skinny" wrote:<\/strong> [quote="GeneP"] \n\tGene,<\/p>\n \tI don’t want to burst your bubble but those numbers are the same as those of a random roller. In fact, they are a tad worse than random but within the margin of error to be considered random.<\/p>\n \tA random roller could expect the following:<\/p>\n \thit hardways 11.1111 % throws \tAlso, if you are using the hardway set, any time you throw a seven it is considered a poor throw. It does not matter if it is on the come out roll or not. The purpose of the hardway set is to avoid the seven. The dice don’t know you when you are on a come out roll.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tok so practice not doing any good since worse than random<\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Timmer on November 29, 2013, 11:19 pm<\/p>\n "GeneP" wrote:<\/strong> srr at 5.876… ok so practice not doing any good since worse than random <\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tLet me chime in here…<\/p>\n \tGene,<\/p>\n \tTwo of the "best of the best" of GTC instructors have given you some incredible advice and insight:<\/p>\n \tMr. Finesse suggested that you focus on your grip, build your 401G and sign up for the GTC Primer class.<\/p>\n \tSkinny, who has forgotten more about the math of craps than most people know, did some number crunching and provided you with data on your current advantage play skill and "edge" as it relates to random.<\/p>\n \tI’ll add some more insight: you shouldn’t worry about getting your thumb "straight" on the dice. Allow your thumb to contact the dice naturally. If your front fingers are aligned properly, your thumb will not appear "straight" on the dice unless you are forcing and contorting your grip.<\/p>\n \tSuch is the shape of the human hand…You need to build into muscle memory a grip that is not only correct<\/u>, but also repeatable<\/u>. Especially when under the pressure of live play and with your money at risk.<\/p>\n \tI think most, if not all, of the GTC Instructors will agree with me that far too much time is spent in class trying to help students "unlearn" and correct the flaws they have built into their grip and swing mechanics from trying to do it on their own prior to taking GTC’s introductory Primer class.<\/p>\n \tThis "thing of ours" isn’t easy, Gene.<\/p>\n \tDo yourself a favor – Heed the advice and insight of Mr. Finesse and Skinny. Keep reading and studying… Continue to use a gripper and work on your grip if you wish. At this point your goal should simply be to not build bad habits into your throw…<\/p>\n \tEnroll in a GTC Primer class and receive some professional instruction as soon as you can. <\/p>\n \tHang in there, Gene… Don’t get too discouraged… We’ve all been there…!<\/p>\n \t \ud83d\ude0e \ud83d\ude0e \ud83d\ude0e<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on November 30, 2013, 2:52 pm<\/p>\n \tYou sound like me 4 years ago. I had the books and vidoes and i did practice alot, \tBut without the classes and help GTC can give you , you dont know what corrections \tIf a person wants to just play craps, play, but if you want dice control to work for you \tI know one thing for sure… if you try to do it alone, you will spend much more than the \tPLayers that go to a casino thinking they can control the dice when they cant are just \tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> The WoW Man on November 30, 2013, 3:36 pm<\/p>\n \tYour comments along with Mr. Finesse and Skinny’s to GeneP were right on the money. It is nice to have someone clearly explain the highlights of the basics needed for as you say, "this thing of ours". I am really impressed with the help you guys extend to the newbie without jamming down their throat, save your money and take a class. Taking a class is necessary for the long run, but one has to buy into wanting to do this to truly appreciate the time, skill and practice needed to have the class be beneficial for them.<\/p>\n \tYou guys do GTC a great service. <\/p>\n \tCatch you later!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on December 3, 2013, 7:04 am<\/p>\n I recently lowered my throw I throw from 7 1\/2 – 8 ft from back wall S1-2 post My station table set at 28 in abovefloor I have height bar set now at 20 in above table at half point…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":68,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6592","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6592","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/68"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6592"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6592\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6592"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6592"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6592"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
\n\tBeen working on grip several months now
\n\tAnd pressure usually have sixes straight across front and check fingers even across top
\n\tthumb in middle half way down that a little tricky part thumb on slight angle because fingers on front but try for middle w even
\n\tfind wrist is important part of throw makin sure very loose do get the dice traveling fairly close together sometimes every so often
\n\tuse perfect glued dice bar a bit get them looki eveb as much as possible then go to reg dice 10-15 min warmup then set up w hardways and record some throws have over 3000 recorded although only recently started keeping track how #s were which dice ended up for # like last 1000
\n\tthrows
\n\tkeep track of everything 7s \/7s comeout \/craps #s \/short throws both dice not hitn back wall which is at 6.5 %
\n\t6s & 8s are pretty much even
\n\t10s at 2% more than 4s
\n\t5s at 3% more than 9
\n\tHardways almost even H10 slightly ahead others
\n\t3s well ahead other crap #s
\n\t30% of 7s r on comeout even through using hardway set
\n\thit hardways 11.7 % throws
\n\tavg roll at 8.3
\n\tsrr at 5.876<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\thit hardways 11.7 % throws
\n\tavg roll at 8.3
\n\tsrr at 5.876<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
\n\tavg roll at 8.5255
\n\tsrr at 6.0000<\/p>\n
\n\thit hardways 11.7 % throws
\n\tavg roll at 8.3
\n\tsrr at 5.876<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
\n\tavg roll at 8.5255
\n\tsrr at 6.0000<\/p>\n
\n\tand it seemed i had some ok rolls. I thought this stuff is easy. But if you practice
\n\talot before you take any classess, sooner or later you get some bad habits and they
\n\tbegin to cause problems in your results.<\/p>\n
\n\tto make and you get worse and soon your bad habits are very very hard to break
\n\teven with help.<\/p>\n
\n\twith the GTC roll, get help from the guys that have been through it all.<\/p>\n
\n\tprice of the class, thinking you can control the dice than you will actually learning how
\n\tto do it. <\/p>\n
\n\tgiving money to the casino….here take it, it is a gift.<\/p>\n
\n\tGood Rolling.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"