{"id":6526,"date":"2013-11-15T15:06:20","date_gmt":"2013-11-15T15:06:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/11\/15\/confidence-w-the-dice\/"},"modified":"2013-11-15T15:06:20","modified_gmt":"2013-11-15T15:06:20","slug":"confidence-w-the-dice","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/11\/15\/confidence-w-the-dice\/","title":{"rendered":"Confidence w\/ the Dice"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nAfter 3 refresher and 2 video elite classes in 1 year, the most important thing I have  learned was how the Dice were supposed to look when they landed.<br \/>\n\tWhen I returned from Vegas in October I had confidence ( borderline cocky) in my toss, and my Dice reflected my confidence.  Slowly my confidence dwindled as I tinkered with this and that and my dice would occasionally look perfect as I expected each throw to be. ( I showed my kids some of the things that helped me and their throw looked better than mine ).  This lack of confidence and the tinkering took over at the casino table, my mind was adjusting each toss, not just doing what came natural from a good practice, but rolling over from my inconsistent practice.  <br \/>\n\tYesterday morning I realized that my problem was overthinking the toss.  I picked up the dice and went through the toss without thinking about each step  and bam, my dice were glued together, hitting together, landing within 2&#8221; of each other, exactly the way my dice had looked when I returned from Vegas. <br \/>\n\tTrip report.  I assume from the previous confession that you would expect a great report from my visit to the casino yesterday.  That did not happen.<br \/>\n\tI took the dice 3 times yesterday morning.  Each time going up on 4 numbers and the a 5-2,4-3,4-3 seven out<br \/>\n\tYesterday evening I threw 2 times with the exact same results.  5 throws and I never repeated a number.<br \/>\n\tThe good thing is I still have my confidence even though the results were bad my dice looked good and I&#8217;m ready to go back and try again.<br \/>\n\tAs Dom says  WE PAY SMALL DUES WAITING FOR THE GOOD ROLLS<br \/>\n\tTommyC<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on November 16, 2013, 5:47 am<\/p>\n<div>That was one big thing that I hated when I took the class and the 5\/2 or 3\/4 would roll and the instructors would say that it was a good 7 .Knowing that I would loose the dice if I were in a casino.<br \/>\n\tRelax it will come soon .<br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on November 16, 2013, 11:56 am<\/p>\n<div>Tommy, hang in there.  We go thought this type of thing from time to time. Believe us when Rose and Doc say we have all done these things.  We have seen your throw and it is very good.  You are correct not to over think what you are doing.  Let the knowledge that you learned from the classes and video come through. Remember we are in this for the long run.  That&#8217;s why we have a bank roll.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf we were to make a suggestion&#8212;and we will&#8212;watch your betting.  You may want to limit yourself to 2 or 3 numbers rather that the 5 you mentioned&#8212;especially during your first roll of a new session at the table.  When you see you are doing well you can go to more numbers.  Also don&#8217;t bet much at all on the chicken feeders.  Just a suggestion that may help.  Be patient.  As Finesse says you don&#8217;t want (expect???) to make money on these CF&#8217;ers, you want to make money on yourself and other control throwers.  <\/p>\n<p>\tLook forward to seeing you and your group in that little Oasis in Northwest Louisiana next month.<\/p>\n<p>\tAlligator Rose and Doc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Timmer on November 17, 2013, 2:22 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&quot;Finisher&quot; wrote:<\/strong> That was one big thing that I hated when I took the class and the 5\/2 or 3\/4 would roll and the instructors would say that it was a good 7 .Knowing that I would loose the dice if I were in a casino. Relax it will come soon. Good Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\tIf an Instructor said this, Finisher, it meant that a hardways set finished on-axis with a double pitch, as opposed to an off-axis 6-1 or 1-6&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>\tI&#8217;m presuming the swing mechanics and other aspects of the throw looked good, the dice didn&#8217;t richochet off the side walls. etc., when the instructor(s) said this.<\/p>\n<p>\tRegardless, you&#8217;re right, Finisher. With any 7, the roll ends and the dice would move on in the casino.<\/p>\n<p>\t \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on November 19, 2013, 4:18 am<\/p>\n<div>Tommyc<\/p>\n<p>\n\tWe just had a long session with Dom this fall. It was a tune up, but extended<br \/>\n\tbecause there were 3 of us .<\/p>\n<p>\n\tTo be honest i am not sure what i expected with the class with Dom, but in his<br \/>\n\tway, what he helped me with was exactly what i needed.<\/p>\n<p>\tI had and i expect many others have spent so much time working on the perfect<br \/>\n\troll, and then expecting it to be good every night and on every table no matter<br \/>\n\thow different the tables were that the game had started to be more like work and<br \/>\n\tless like fun, and some of the rolls worse, not better.<\/p>\n<p>\tI had retired because work had become to much work and no fun and now what i<br \/>\n\thad retired to play more of&#8230;well you get the drift.<\/p>\n<p>\tWith Dom if you had a 7 out and you have an 8 SRR well your then going to get a<br \/>\n\t16 roll sooner type thinking, put more fun back in the game and even if the roll<br \/>\n\twas not perfect, but i repeated numbers it was a win rather than a loss because i<br \/>\n\twas more worried about the perfect roll.<\/p>\n<p>\tAnd a funny thing happened, the less i worried about the good roll, the more good rolls<br \/>\n\ti had and i have had fun since the tune up including some real fun evenings including<br \/>\n\tthe past Wednesday and Friday nights which were tons of fun.<\/p>\n<p>\tWe dont have to be perfect to win, and playing relaxed and with confidence, just like in<br \/>\n\tany other sport allows us to be as good as we can be.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tgman<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> TommyC on November 19, 2013, 8:30 pm<\/p>\n<div>I remember in the Primer one of the instructors said craps would never be the same.  Its not just throw the dice, its aggravating, its disgusting sometimes, you practice and practice and you finally get the dice in the casino and you don&#8217;t feel like you have any control.  Then I settle down get over the shakes remember all my practice, remember the things Mr Finness said to me, short backswing, straight forward ,listen to what I say and quit being so hardheaded, (I love that one and have heard it many times before in other walks of life), Doc and Alligator Rose telling me to land my dice a little further away from the wall,<br \/>\n\tNFR and BTK saying reach out like the Heisman ,don&#8217;t drop your thumb, make sure your dice are square to the table.  Randman giving me pep talks in my left ear as I prepared to toss, settling me down, talking me through the toss, Goldfinger saying hit the back wall, do not throw short.<br \/>\n\tAnd Dom saying TRUST YOUR THROW.  <br \/>\n\tI do love throwing dice again, I don&#8217;t care to do it by myself at the casino much anymore.  Its a little like catching a big fish if there is no one to show it to, who cares. \ud83d\ude06 <br \/>\n\tThanks GMAN<br \/>\n\tTommyC<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on November 20, 2013, 4:30 pm<\/p>\n<div>And all I have to say is when you practice PRACTICE  and when you go to the casino to play, just PLAY.<\/p>\n<p>\tDon&#8217;t think play and have a good time, Have 3 or 4 hands, take a break and then go have 3 or 4 hands again.  Analyze your sessions after you have stopped playing, not during your session.<\/p>\n<p>\tTommy, I know you will successful, keep at it don&#8217;t give up.  Remember one important thing &#8211;<br \/>\n\t                               &#8211;<br \/>\n\t                               &#8211;    \ud83d\ude10 <br \/>\n\t                                \ud83d\ude10 <\/p>\n<p>\n\t              <strong>GRIP<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> TommyC on November 20, 2013, 6:52 pm<\/p>\n<div>\ud83d\ude06  \ud83d\ude06  I won&#8217;t give up, I promise that, this is to much fun.  That losing day was just a bump in the road. <br \/>\n\t OK I&#8217;ll hush and practice my GRIP.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on November 21, 2013, 4:49 am<\/p>\n<div>Some times I think BOY that was the best throw all day and it is a 7 . Then there is this hope that I did real good until I add up the numbers . \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00 <br \/>\n\tThe long math comes into play a lot .<br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>After 3 refresher and 2 video elite classes in 1 year, the most important thing I have learned was how the Dice were supposed to look when they landed. 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