\nEspecially those of us who are having my disappointing experiences and suffering
\n\tsilently with discouraging results, give this some deep, deep thought:<\/p>\n
\tIn my practice throws, it’s amazing how there is such an amazing propensity
\n\tto throw many sevens, even sequential ones, using the hardways set.
\n\tMost practice sessions are guaranteed to result in an SRR below 6.
\n\tIt seemed the hardways set and the GTC throw has a way of producing "easy sevens"
\n\tand with a vengeance, more often than a random throw would.<\/p>\n
\tSo now I’m experimenting:
\n\t(1) I fling the damn dice randomly and lo! Where did the sevens go?
\n\t At times I had to inspect the dice I was using to see whether those easy
\n\t sevens had fallen out of the dice. LOL
\n\t(2) I placed my small 12"x14" travel practice landing surface on top of my
\n\t practice table in front of the rubber pyramid wall to see the difference.
\n\t What! No more sequential sevens. Less sevens. Because of a different surface?
\n\t(3) I’m have no doubt that a random throw will, over the statistically valid long run,
\n\t result in an SRR of 6. No matter the surface.
\n\t But a ‘bad’ surface may give poor results even though the throw is perfect.
\n\t Will be doing experiment over more extensive sessions going forward.<\/p>\n
\tSo it seems that if you want to have a valid practice session,
\n\tyou should have an acceptable if not ‘ideal’ surface.
\n\tThe surface matters, we all know. So if your practice results seem lousy,
\n\tdo some experiments.
\n\tDo short experiments and if it seems you are getting somewhare, go for longer
\n\tand more sessions. You may even change the surface.
\n\tThat’s why I’m a believer that as long as your practice throws look good,
\n\tsquare and together, you can ignore the poor results and be confident of your throw
\n\twhen you get to the casino, where of course you will have to adjust your throw
\n\tfor the table conditions.<\/p>\n
\tWhat say you? – to borrow a phrase.<\/p>\n
Posted by:<\/strong> Pit Boss on October 5, 2013, 2:05 am<\/p>\n \tI could not disagree with you more. I say this apologetically and in a friendly way, not in a belittling way.<\/p>\n \tIt is precisely in practice that all the good runs are supposed to happen. The home practice table is a table that a thrower should be used to.<\/p>\n \tIn no way should the HW set be producing more 7’s then normal especially the 6-1. If there are a lot of 5-2, 4-3 combos then ABSOLUTELY something is way off. I will not guess at it from 3,000 miles away, but for a practiced thrower to have a SRR of 6 is unacceptable. At that point the shooter should not be shooting because they are playing a negative game.<\/p>\n \tI suspect that you may not be practicing enough or the correct way or that you have a physical problem that may not allow you to throw the correct shot. But you probably know all of this and how to fix the problem. When Tiger Woods has a problem in his shot, he stays late into the night and hits practice balls until his fingers bleed. <\/p>\n \tAll of us have to put the homework in. No one looses weight by just reading a diet book.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on October 5, 2013, 4:47 am<\/p>\n \tAfter my refresher , i played that sunday night in vegas and i dont \tI thought well if you throw the dice 8-9 feet and use a hardway set, if one \tI have been back from my tune up for two weeks now and i have played 3 times \tSo if some one can explain all that they are smarter than i am.<\/p>\n \tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Timmer on October 5, 2013, 3:36 pm<\/p>\n \tMy guess is that a defect (or defects) have crept into some part of your throw.<\/p>\n \tThe most common culprit is the grip being off, but it could be swing mechanics, body alignment, several of these things, or something else.<\/p>\n \tFrom what you’ve written there is a degree of consistency – consistent sevens, unfortunately…<\/p>\n \tYou need to resolve this before you put your bankroll at risk in the casino. Just don’t keep doing the same thing and expect different results. – Ain’t gonna happen.<\/p>\n \tI’ll be curious to learn the results when the random toss experiment reaches a valid sample size. I’m guessing the final random toss outcome results will be just that – statistically and predictably \tKeep us posted on your progress, Seven…<\/p>\n \t \ud83d\ude0e \ud83d\ude0e \ud83d\ude0e<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> NofieldFive on October 5, 2013, 4:39 pm<\/p>\n \tNFF<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> SevenTimesSeven on October 5, 2013, 7:42 pm<\/p>\n \tYes, a month ago I suspected that. My backswing needed correction. \tThen I set up the camera to catch what was happening on the landing \tSo I’m now into experimenting:<\/p>\n \t(a) Recording the random throw to prove that even though sometimes the \t(b) Changing the landing surface for the GTC throw,to see the difference in SRR statistics. Posted by:<\/strong> TommyC on October 5, 2013, 11:56 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> getagrip on October 6, 2013, 12:25 am<\/p>\n \tWhat I am going to say will not help you fix the problem per se. That is for the instructors to advise you. <\/p>\n \tI know personally that when my shot goes poorly that I start to feel a little stress and I am sure the blood pressure goes up a little—even at home. Then without knowing it I tighten my grip. Then my shot looks worse. Vicious circle!<\/p>\n \tSince you have lemons—-yes, make lemonade! In your home casino sessions try Don’t Pass and Don’t Come betting to make yourself some money. Do this until the tide turns even if it is several weeks or a month. Hopefully this will lessen the stress you are feeling a little and may lead you back to less 7’s over a little time. <\/p>\n \tI have certainly gone through this WAY too many on axis 7’s problem and I am sure most everyone has been there at one time or another. Our dice influencing and edge is a fluid thing unfortunately but that is just the way it is and will always be. I think GMan is right. The closer we get to a very good toss and consistency is when we actually toss more 7’s for a little while. Keep going and don’t feel like the Lone Ranger in this.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> DoughBoy on October 6, 2013, 12:20 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on October 6, 2013, 4:48 pm<\/p>\n \tRemember that the next class is 6 months away that is a long time to go.<\/p>\n \tThree years since your last class is a long time to go with out any help, I have heard the instructors say on many occasions that as well as a positive influence on the dice we can also make a negative one two.<\/p>\n \tBest of luck<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on October 6, 2013, 6:34 pm<\/p>\n \tOn a serious note, I am very concerned about what you are experiencing. I have read this post several times, trying to figure out how to help you. I get the sense of frustration and desperation in what you are experiencing.<\/p>\n \tWhat is the objective in the random throw? You know what the results will be statistically. I have read your previous posts so I know you understand the math and do not dispute it. So why bother throwing them randomly?<\/p>\n \tBut then you are trying out different surfaces? What is that going to accomplish that will help your throw? You need to get back to basics to see if your throw is correct. If you want to try a different surface, throw the dice into sand so that they stick when they land. Then you can see if they are landing flat, on-axis with the same numbers on top. That will tell you if the dice are coming off your hand properly and rotating together.<\/p>\n \tGo back to the grip. Check to see that your thumb and middle finger have equal pressure on both die. Are your fingers straight across? Is your grip light enough so that they are almost falling out our your hand?<\/p>\n \tWhen the dice come off your fingers, is your hand square to the target? Are your fingers closed so the dice roll off your fingers?<\/p>\n \tYou said you videotaped your swing to be sure it is straight back and forward. What about the energy you are putting into the toss? Are the dice landing a few inches from the back wall, gently kissing the diamonds on the way down and settling a few inches together from the back wall?<\/p>\n \tThis is only a few of the things I would be looking at to see what is wrong with your toss. But I think you need much more help than this if I am reading you correctly. The hardways set and the GTC throw does not have a way of producing "easy sevens". A poor grip and\/or toss has a way of producing "easy sevens". Yes, if you have outstanding axis control, double pitches will produce more sevens than random with the hardways set. But from what I am reading, that is not what you are doing. <\/p>\n \tI think bman is correct. You need to get someone to help you. I do not believe the path you are on is going to do you any good. I think you have lost your confidence and are confused about what to do. I think it is going to take an experienced person to see what you are doing and work with you to help you make changes.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> SevenTimesSeven on October 9, 2013, 3:57 pm<\/p>\n \tYes, I do know there is no need to do a random throw for the statistics. \tMy posts are also meant to have other members come out to offer their \tYes, I was in a Mississippi casino and continued my idea of just doing Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on October 9, 2013, 8:08 pm<\/p>\n Especially those of us who are having my disappointing experiences and suffering silently with discouraging results, give this some deep, deep thought: In my practice throws, it’s amazing how there is such an amazing propensity to throw many sevens, even…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":63,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6286","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6286","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/63"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6286"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6286\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6286"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6286"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6286"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
\n\tand incredible number of 4\/3 3\/4, to the point i quit using the
\n\thardway set. <\/p>\n
\n\trebember exactly, but i think i had 24 3\/4 4\/3 out of 42 rolls. <\/p>\n
\n\tdice rotates 1\/4 turn forward and the other 1\/4 turn back you have it. It
\n\twould appear to be easy to get a 7. I thought it is hard to do a perfect roll,
\n\tbut a roll pretty close gets me a 7.<\/p>\n
\n\tincluding tonight. I cant explain it but my srr if almost 10 since i got back. I am sure
\n\tit will fall back some, but the hardway set has been by far the best set since i have been
\n\tback.Tonight i had 6 hands and srr was 10.3<\/p>\n
\n\trandom…<\/p>\n
\n\tI set up my video and caught that. Then made sure I visually observed
\n\tthe backswing and launch.<\/p>\n
\n\tand you would like to see the ‘scatter’, the maddening reaction of the
\n\tdice after they hit the table.<\/p>\n
\n\tsevens are scarce (on one recent occasion the seven showed at the 35th
\n\tthrow after I got frustrated with the GTC throw showing the seven too often),
\n\tthe SRR will be statistically 6.<\/p>\n
\n\tSo far, with the idea of just making sure the dice are square and together
\n\tand having confidence that that was all I needed, I did try that in a casino
\n\tlast week and had two short rolls (about four throws each) and a long one (about 25 minutes)
\n\twhich almost tripled my buy-in.
\n\tThat could be variance. I also saw a randy do over 45 minutes a month previously.
\n\tI’l look for more consistency.
\n\tI’ll report my findings here on this board as they happen, if I sense there is interest.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tTommyC<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tI only need to look at my early-years’ data.<\/p>\n
\n\texperiences and advice. We seem to need more postings to liven up the
\n\tCraps board, before it goes to sleep.
\n\tFrom the various answers and suggestions offered I always look forward to
\n\tgleaning some good ideas to explore and improve my throw.
\n\tAnd Skinny, you did come through again. Thank you for that.
\n\tAnd thanks to the others for their inputs.<\/p>\n
\n\ta good-looking throw, square, together, soft and not worrying about
\n\tthe outcome. Threw for two hands, one more than doubling my buy-in and
\n\tthe second about even.
\n\tCould be variance again. Will continue the ‘attitude’ and we’ll see.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tI bet just 1.00 for them on the pass line no hard way bets and add odds to their bet only when I hit a number that I have place bet on . I like doing it this way to get them into the game more .
\n\tAt times it is hard to get others to post and some take it in the wrong way.
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00 \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"