\nIn the opion of the public what is more important to being a advantage player?<\/p>\n
\t1 throw.<\/p>\n
\t2 betting.<\/p>\n
\tI beleive that with the throw is it you can over come some high house edge bets when your throw warrants it!<\/p>\n
\tIf you do not have the throw how can you achieve an advantage with the math being in the houses favor?<\/p>\n
Posted by:<\/strong> Not2soon on April 5, 2012, 4:17 am<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Stephen C on April 5, 2012, 3:39 pm<\/p>\n \tThe Don’t side player can also be an Advantage Player using nothing more that the math and proper betting. Yes, yes I know, some of you loath the Darkside player. But think about it. Lacking the throw what is left other than the math. And don’t we attempt, through the 5 Count, to avoid those short rolls. 57% of them to be specific. That’s exactly where the Darkside Guy is golden, that 57%.<\/p>\n \tA smart Darksider is going to know the math just like us and use it.<\/p>\n \tThe Darkside guy is going to prosper much like us using the reverse of our bets. He’s going to know when to play and when not to play. He is going to know when to flip over to take advantage of those longer positive throws as well. He is an Advantage Player without the Patented throw.<\/p>\n \tAll of this I have used to show that the Math and proper Betting is what makes us Advantage Players. The throw is a Value added item. A very important value added item indeed, but secondary to the math and Proper betting.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on April 5, 2012, 3:54 pm<\/p>\n "CIII" wrote:<\/strong> \n\tI feel your pain, been there done that.<\/p>\n \tNever the less, excerpts from Rudyard Kipling’s poem, "If…" come to mind<\/p>\n \tIf you can keep your head when all about you \tIf you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, \tIf you can meet with Triumph and Disaster \tYours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on April 5, 2012, 4:00 pm<\/p>\n \tIn the 2.5 years i have worked on my roll i have had a good number of rolls in the 40’s and a few in the 50’s, but i have had countless 7 outs…. <\/p>\n \tSo for me i think an advantage player needs to be smart and not have a great ego… if you throw is not \tSo betting and the throw i think have to work together.<\/p>\n \tFor me also i had to find a way to have fun with the other players again. It drove me nuts waiting for \tPlaying with other advantage PLAYERS is a must. It adds so much when you share their good rolls \tThe mental part of the game may be the biggest aspect of a good advantage player.<\/p>\n \tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on April 5, 2012, 4:20 pm<\/p>\n "Stephen C" wrote:<\/strong> From the GTC perspective both the throw and proper betting go into making up the Advantage Player. Which is more important can be debated, however, from my point of view the math and proper betting are first position. Without an understanding of those you can have a perfect throw and still go home broke.<\/p>\n \tThe Don’t side player can also be an Advantage Player using nothing more that the math and proper betting. Yes, yes I know, some of you loath the Darkside player. But think about it. Lacking the throw what is left other than the math. And don’t we attempt, through the 5 Count, to avoid those short rolls. 57% of them to be specific. That’s exactly where the Darkside Guy is golden, that 57%.<\/p>\n \tA smart Darksider is going to know the math just like us and use it.<\/p>\n \tThe Darkside guy is going to prosper much like us using the reverse of our bets. He’s going to know when to play and when not to play. He is going to know when to flip over to take advantage of those longer positive throws as well. He is an Advantage Player without the Patented throw.<\/p>\n \tAll of this I have used to show that the Math and proper Betting is what makes us Advantage Players. The throw is a Value added item. A very important value added item indeed, but secondary to the math and Proper betting.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tStephen C,<\/p>\n \tWhile I agree with a great deal of what you said in this post, I feel obligated to clarify one aspect that has risky implications. The Darkside guy is not golden with the 57% of the rolls that we avoid by using the 5 count. Every 7 and 11 that is thrown before the point is established is part of the 57% of the rolls avoided and they are all Darkside losers. The Pass Line wager has a 2 – 1 advantage on the come out roll before the point is established. All the Pass Line winners in that 2 – 1 advantage are losers for the Darkside. The Darkside player is at a 2 – 1 disadvantage<\/em><\/u> before a point number is thrown.<\/p>\n \tThe House Advantage (HA) for the Pass Line is -1.41%.<\/p>\n \tThe House Advantage for the Don’t Pass Line is -1.36%.<\/p>\n \tIt is not possible to use the math of the game to gain an advantage on the Rightside or the Darkside.<\/p>\n \tThe five count is a method for saving ones bankroll for longer rolls and for betting on oneself and other controlled shooters. It helps players to stay in the game longer so that they are there when longer rolls occur. It is not a way to increase one’s advantage using the math of the game for either the Rightside or Darkside. The Darkside guy can not prosper by using the reverse of our bets. Both types of players have the same HA working against them both before and after the 5 count.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Stephen C on April 5, 2012, 5:38 pm<\/p>\n \tI was simply pointing out that knowing the math and betting properly are paramount in becoming an Advantage Player. I didn’t mean to imply that the Darkside was somehow more advantageous than the right side. I could do nothing but block my entire Dice life and be a advantage player.<\/p>\n \tEither side of play can be thought of as Advantage players with a certain expertise in the Math of the game and using the proper betting scheme for that method of play. Whether you win is a different story and certainly not guaranteed.<\/p>\n \tSorry for the misunderstanding<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on April 5, 2012, 5:50 pm<\/p>\n \tMy faith in you is restored. Actually it was never lost. I apologize if I took your meaning out of context.<\/p>\n \tThere has been some confusion about the application of the 5 count to the Darkside in the past. I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify the 5 count as it relates to the Darkside.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on April 5, 2012, 6:23 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Jumbotron Ron on April 5, 2012, 8:20 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> NickatNight on April 6, 2012, 3:15 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on April 6, 2012, 7:36 pm<\/p>\n "NickatNight" wrote:<\/strong> To play with my Advantage player friends!! \ud83d\ude06<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \tNow ther is a answer love you man.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> The Griz on April 7, 2012, 10:01 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> sevenout on April 8, 2012, 3:02 pm<\/p>\n \tI has to be the betting. No question about it.<\/p>\n \tYes you need to have an EDGE with the dice, but being an ADVANTAGE PLAYER is more of a state of mind. Know your edge and bet into that edge, a wise man once told me.<\/p>\n \tAn Advantage Player will drive 2 hours to a casino, see that playing conditions aren’t favorable, and drive back home, without ever placing a bet. Where does a 20 SRR factor in to that scenario?<\/p>\n \tSame with BJ. It is more that just knowing the count, it knowing when to put more money out there and how much. Know your edge and bet into that edge.<\/p>\n \tBeing able to create and edge with the dice or being able to count cards does not make one an Advantage Player. Knowing when and how much to bet (or not bet) separates the Gambler from the Advantage Player.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Jumbotron Ron on April 8, 2012, 4:50 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on April 8, 2012, 5:09 pm<\/p>\n \t my point is simply that the casino’s make a great deal of money by allowing people to win, but very few ever get it out the door. \tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> AlamoTx on April 10, 2012, 5:43 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Agame on April 10, 2012, 7:02 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on April 10, 2012, 7:41 pm<\/p>\n \tplaying the dont is not the way to go for an advantage player.<\/p>\n \n\tYou never see the big roll or even the teens that are the money makers.<\/p>\n \tyou are playing only to win the single bet bad move.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Agame on April 10, 2012, 8:18 pm<\/p>\n "brothelman" wrote:<\/strong> Why do you guys want to play for a single win[…] You never see the big roll or even the teens that are the money makers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tWe don’t want to play like that… we’re just discussing the appeal or the lack thereof in that betting and shooting style. Speaking for myself, at least. As for winning the bet and moving on, on an empty table, the dice would be passed right back to you so it’d actually be winning the bet and keeping at it!! \ud83d\ude00 Posted by:<\/strong> Stephen C on April 10, 2012, 10:35 pm<\/p>\n \tTake that same bet but on the right side. Come out 10 and right back with it. Same $75 risked but $125 gained. Sound better.<\/p>\n \tUnfortunately few are that consistent. Wish I were.<\/p>\n \tI will still wrong side on the occasional Chicken feeder, but when a know, including myself, GTCer has the Dice never. Takes my chances on the skill player every time.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on April 11, 2012, 5:40 am<\/p>\n \tI mean why would you never be willing to do somthing that appeals to you,lmao?<\/p>\n \tI mean ev ate the fruit right?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Agame on April 11, 2012, 5:31 pm<\/p>\n "brothelman" wrote:<\/strong> I am very confussed if it is appealing then why not do it? \n\tI repeat: We [at least I] don’t want to play like that… we’re just discussing the appeal or the lack thereof in that betting and shooting style.<\/p>\n \tJust curious, do you have any thoughts on the Big Enchilada? Do you like the idea? Would you recommend it to a skilled shooter?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on April 12, 2012, 6:03 am<\/p>\n \tI would have to see the throw to recomend it, yes he or whe would have to be a skilled shooter in my opion for me to recomend it.<\/p>\n \tPeople do not have the eye for details and do not look for the prooper things to tell if throw is worthy.<\/p>\n \n\tMy throw currently is not worthy of the recomendation!!!!!!!!!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> sevenout on April 13, 2012, 2:54 pm<\/p>\n \tI remember hearing a story about some Instructors doing "the Don’t thing" to clear the table so they could play properly. I laugh every time I think of it.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on April 13, 2012, 3:34 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Rubin74 on April 13, 2012, 4:21 pm<\/p>\n In the opion of the public what is more important to being a advantage player? 1 throw. 2 betting. 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\n\tIt is maddening to play in a session where my toss is above average to good and my betting discipline is correct and the undisciplined players at the table are reaping the rewards.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
\n\t Are losing theirs…<\/p>\n
\n\t But make allowance for their doubting too:
\n\tIf you can wait and not be tired by waiting,…<\/p>\n
\n\t And treat those two impostors just the same:..<\/p>\n
\n\t And which is more; you’ll be a Man, my son!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tlooking good bet little or dont play. I find i have been starting out with a very low bet until i think my
\n\tthrow is ok helps.<\/p>\n
\n\tthe dice when others are throwing. I try to play on mostly empty tables, or use part of the dewey dont system
\n\twhen i bet on others…. i am in the game, yet on short rolls i dont lose, best of both worlds.<\/p>\n
\n\twith them, or yours with others. <\/p>\n
\n\tI think a good advantage player is more than just his or her throw. <\/p>\n
\n\tThere’s probably a long answer with mathematical illustrations to go with it, but I don’t have it. My answer is, because very few advantage players are that skilful. Also because the traditional way of playing still allows for a large bet on the place numbers that pays more than a flat bet. That bet can be pressed when hit, and doesn’t alter the course of the game when hit. You just get the dice back and can attempt to roll it again.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tAnd winning<\/strong> here is the operative word. Would a controlled<\/strong> shooter, wishing to maximize his hits, capitalize on his skill<\/strong>, and increase the number of ways to throw a winning combination (being that more combos result in 7’s than do in 6 or 8—which is just darn unfair) do well betting the don’t?
\n\tOn an empty table, money-making rolls in the teens and shooting the don’t are not mutually exclusive. Just depends on how you look at it.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tI mean why would you never be willing to do somthing that appeals to you,lmao?
\n\tI mean ev ate the fruit right?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
\n\tBman your throw is always worthy and GREAT to watch<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"