{"id":4308,"date":"2013-05-24T17:40:25","date_gmt":"2013-05-24T17:40:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/05\/24\/crapless-craps-advice\/"},"modified":"2013-05-24T17:40:25","modified_gmt":"2013-05-24T17:40:25","slug":"crapless-craps-advice","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/05\/24\/crapless-craps-advice\/","title":{"rendered":"Crapless Craps advice"},"content":{"rendered":"


\nI have a question that I was hoping to get some feedback on. When playing on a crap-less craps table, is it beneficial to throw the cross 12 set in hopes of hitting those outside numbers? And a player who has an edge on a table, with true odds being offered on those outside numbers, does it make crap-less craps a better game then regular craps. I was hoping to get some input from Skinny with his genius mathematics on the game. I know it’s a really fun game to play, and incredibly lucrative when on a hot roll. <\/p>\n

\tOn another note, therapy is going really well on my shoulder and I hope to be throwing again within a month. Connecticut group, count me in on the next trip. Happy Memorial Day to all and have a safe weekend!<\/p>\n

\tMichael<\/p>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Pointman on May 24, 2013, 7:01 pm<\/p>\n

This link will explain the odd\/HA differences between the Craps and Crapless games. <\/p>\n

\thttp:\/\/wizardofodds.com\/games\/craps\/app … plesscraps<\/a><\/p>\n

\tAs for is this a better game than craps overall, No. (HA 5.5% to a 1.4%, I believe is the pass line before odds)
\n\tThe only good thing about a crapless game is that you do not have Don’t betters at the table.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> MIDNIGHT on May 24, 2013, 8:46 pm<\/p>\n

Well to take it one step further, the table that I would play on offers 10x odds and commission on wins only where you can buy the outside numbers. Does this still make it a gimmick game? And whats your thought on the set??? Thanks for the link. Love Wizardofodds!<\/p>\n

\tMichael<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on May 24, 2013, 10:50 pm<\/p>\n

Even at 10X odds it is still not a better than regular craps at 10X odds. I am traveling and can not do the calculation without my computer. But I would guess the odds drop to around 0.75% at 10X in crapless vs. 0.18% in regular craps at 10X. Still that is a decent game but you are risking a lot at 10X.<\/p>\n

\tThe buy bets on the 2,3,11 & 12 paying on the win only are good bets. You can see the edges in the charts on the link Pointman gave you.<\/p>\n

\tI don’t have an opinion about the set. Dom or Billy are better at that than I am.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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