{"id":4293,"date":"2013-05-23T15:51:14","date_gmt":"2013-05-23T15:51:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/05\/23\/going-on-tilt\/"},"modified":"2013-05-23T15:51:14","modified_gmt":"2013-05-23T15:51:14","slug":"going-on-tilt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/05\/23\/going-on-tilt\/","title":{"rendered":"Going on Tilt"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nThis is big term in poker, but it can also apply to craps.<\/p>\n<p>\tWe will make some assumptions for the following example.<br \/>\n\tPlayer is a practiced player with at least 5-10K rolls in practice. Player has a sufficient bankroll relevant to the table stakes and has baugut in with sufficient start up and sustaining capital. Table conditions are very good. Player is the only one at the table. Limits are $10 min. Player is conservative aggressive ( $10 pass full odds, $30 6&amp;8 $25 4&amp;10). Assume that the point in each case is an even number (4-6-8-10)<\/p>\n<p>\tPlayer has 3 straight Point 7&#8217;s or less than 3 rolls, in a row. That would mean that the loss&#8217;s will stack up quickly to +- $440. At this point frustration really sinks in. The player knows that they can roll their way out of this, but bank their bankroll is quickly depleting and this has a physiological effect. <\/p>\n<p>\tInstead of doubling up on their bets in the hopes of stopping the bankroll bleed, its time to just walk away. Today was not the day. It happens. Take a break, go to the pool, go sightseeing anything but play right now. <\/p>\n<p>\tThe mind has to cool down and not think about getting back to even or why this happened. That can all be sorted out in practice. For now, it&#8217;s time to breathe. Walk away while the losses are sustainable. Many poker players have lost their entire bankroll because of tilt. Don&#8217;t let this happen to you at craps.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> TommyC on May 23, 2013, 4:59 pm<\/p>\n<div>Great advice. I hope to follow it better in the future.  It also fits video poker and betting the pony&#8217;s.<br \/>\n\tYou know the advantage is there, but quitting after missing the royal on a 1 card draw, or missing the aces after drawing to trips ten times  in a session, can make your better judgment become a full tilt chase. <br \/>\n\tGetting beat in the exacta or trifecta by a nose when you know your handicapping is good and you just had a bad trip or a little bad luck makes you want to bet the next race and double up.<br \/>\n\tThe problem is sometimes it works and you justify it in your mind that you have done it before why not again.<br \/>\n\tYou forget your GTC ways and become the old action junkie you were before the first primer course.<br \/>\n\tTommyC<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Timmer on May 23, 2013, 5:18 pm<\/p>\n<div>Excellent advice, Pit Boss&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tGreat post!<\/p>\n<p>\t \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on May 24, 2013, 11:03 am<\/p>\n<div>Pit boss and TommyC,  excellent advice.  Patience is the name of the game.  Sessions like those discussed do happen.  A break is always the way to go.  That&#8217;s we stress betting a low percentage of your band roll.  That&#8217;s why we have a bank roll to sustain these bad times as they will happen!!<\/p>\n<p>\tAlligator Rose and Doc.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on May 30, 2013, 10:13 pm<\/p>\n<div>Right on guys!<\/p>\n<p>\tAnd sometimes you just know after your first toss that it isn&#8217;t your day. The dice just don&#8217;t feel right, you can&#8217;t get a good grip, you don&#8217;t like the dealers.<\/p>\n<p>\tTime to walk away!<\/p>\n<p>\tDominator<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> TommyC on June 9, 2013, 5:48 pm<\/p>\n<div>There is another kind of Going on tilt, that I find sometimes more depressing than chasing losses.<br \/>\n\tIts when I win !  I want to win more and more. I up my bets &quot; I&#8217;M PLAYING ON THERE MONEY &quot;, no its my money now.<br \/>\n\tWhen it goes into the rack, in my pocket, or in my on line account, its mine.<br \/>\n\tThanks to GTC I now control this urge better than ever before.  <br \/>\n\tThanks again for the teachings that apply to all gaming activities.<br \/>\n\tTommyC<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> The Breeze on June 10, 2013, 2:21 am<\/p>\n<div>The acknowledgement that that it just isn&#8217;t your day is a tough pill to swallow but you have to. On a recent trip to Laughlin I had great warm ups in the room the dice were together and staying tight and on target but when I hit the table it all changed and I should have gone to the hot tub &#8211; but I didn&#8217;t and lost my rear. <\/p>\n<p>\tOne of the issues I personally have is that I can&#8217;t just go roll when I want to or when it is convenient because I live in CA. So when I get to where I can roll I feel like I really have to take advantage of it &#8211; Wrong.<\/p>\n<p>\tBack to the refresher and get my head back on straight and my confidence back. But I kept a reminder in my wallet to never repeat my last dumb performance. Leave, get right, go back to the room, re-group but don&#8217;t get dumb. And I just missed the small, tall and all by a 4 and 9 go figure.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> The Breeze on June 10, 2013, 2:21 am<\/p>\n<div>The acknowledgement that that it just isn&#8217;t your day is a tough pill to swallow but you have to. On a recent trip to Laughlin I had great warm ups in the room the dice were together and staying tight and on target but when I hit the table it all changed and I should have gone to the hot tub &#8211; but I didn&#8217;t and lost my rear. <\/p>\n<p>\tOne of the issues I personally have is that I can&#8217;t just go roll when I want to or when it is convenient because I live in CA. So when I get to where I can roll I feel like I really have to take advantage of it &#8211; Wrong.<\/p>\n<p>\tBack to the refresher and get my head back on straight and my confidence back. But I kept a reminder in my wallet to never repeat my last dumb performance. Leave, get right, go back to the room, re-group but don&#8217;t get dumb. And I just missed the small, tall and all by a 4 and 9 go figure.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on June 10, 2013, 3:42 am<\/p>\n<div>Do they have that bet in Laughlin ? small.tall and all.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on June 10, 2013, 6:22 am<\/p>\n<div>Yes and they have it down town vegas at the same casino same name ;and everything<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is big term in poker, but it can also apply to craps. We will make some assumptions for the following example. 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