{"id":3803,"date":"2013-04-30T12:50:30","date_gmt":"2013-04-30T12:50:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/04\/30\/to-encroach-or-not-encroach-that-is-the-question\/"},"modified":"2013-04-30T12:50:30","modified_gmt":"2013-04-30T12:50:30","slug":"to-encroach-or-not-encroach-that-is-the-question","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/04\/30\/to-encroach-or-not-encroach-that-is-the-question\/","title":{"rendered":"To Encroach or not Encroach that is the question"},"content":{"rendered":"


\nTo rip off the words of Tennyson, Tis Better to Have Encroached and Won Than Never to Have Encroached at All?
\n\t
\n\tIf e’er when faith had fallen asleep,
\n\tI hear a voice ‘believe no more’
\n\tAnd heard an ever-breaking shore
\n\tThat tumbled in the Godless deep;
\n\tA warmth within the breast would melt
\n\tThe freezing reason’s colder part,
\n\tAnd like a man in wrath the heart
\n\tStood up and answer’d ‘I have won.’<\/em><\/p>\n

\tGiven the animosity we encounter at the table from some crew members, Pit Critters and management is it prudent to push the boundaries in an attempt to get closer to the back wall or no. Boldly go where none have gone before\u2026<\/p>\n

\tOn a recent trip, not wanting to bring heat upon my shiny head, I was camping out at SL1.5. From experience I\u2019ve found from that spot there is almost never a complaint about the \u201cCenter Line\u201d, Stickman\u2019s space etal. <\/p>\n

\tAfter observing another practitioner of our art taking liberties with the \u201cline\u201d with zero zip nada heat I to started, from my puritanical point of view, encroaching. What a difference that 10 to 12 inches makes on the softness and bounce. No wonder I see no 8 foot tables.<\/p>\n

\tMy question is this, as an infrequent visitor to Casino \u201cA\u201d, having no or very little exposure to the staff or management, would you push it from the first throw. Would you slowly move forward doing what the Democrats attempt incrementally, an inch at a time. Or perhaps do nothing, stay where you\u2019re at. <\/p>\n

\tHow about the short Biz trip, you have six hours to spare and a table in view. Would you play it meek or go for the gold. Perhaps a combination of the two, sneaking up on them as it were. Who was that masked man?<\/p>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> The Griz on May 1, 2013, 11:22 am<\/p>\n

Play like a pirate… "Take what you can. Give Nothing back"
\n\tStay true to the code! \ud83d\ude09 <\/p>\n

\tIMO, it’s about location, location, location… most of us have that special place to play where they may give you that extra area, but in general, I like the "take an inch" philosophy, once you get warned that you have entered the "no fly zone" then inch back… hopefully with more $ in your rack! \ud83d\ude0e <\/p>\n

\tAlso, never thought I’d be reading Tennyson on a Craps Message Board! Isn’t GTC great?!
\n\tThanks for the enlightening discussion this morning!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> GameDay on May 1, 2013, 2:46 pm<\/p>\n

Tennyson ! Amazing. Great read.
\n\tNow that we are quoting poetry, I have one poem that I think tells the story of GTC and advantage play: It is: <\/p>\n

\tThe Road Not Taken<\/p>\n

\tTwo roads diverged in a yellow wood,
\n\tAnd sorry I could not travel both
\n\tAnd be one traveler, long I stood
\n\tAnd looked down one as far as I could
\n\tTo where it bent in the undergrowth;<\/p>\n

\tThen took the other, as just as fair,
\n\tAnd having perhaps the better claim
\n\tBecause it was grassy and wanted wear,
\n\tThough as for that the passing there
\n\tHad worn them really about the same,<\/p>\n

\tAnd both that morning equally lay
\n\tIn leaves no step had trodden black.
\n\tOh, I marked the first for another day!
\n\tYet knowing how way leads on to way
\n\tI doubted if I should ever come back.<\/p>\n

\tI shall be telling this with a sigh
\n\tSomewhere ages and ages hence:
\n\tTwo roads diverged in a wood, and I,
\n\tI took the one less traveled by,
\n\tAnd that has made all the difference.
\n\tRobert Frost<\/p>\n

\tWe as GTC’ers definitely take the road not taken. And for us it has made "all the difference".<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on May 1, 2013, 5:26 pm<\/p>\n

If someone says no so what you already are at that point but when they say yes you get miles ahead.<\/p>\n

\tIf we did not melt down dinosaurs we would all be stuck on the side of the road pushing a volt.<\/p>\n

\tI know places where they tell some they can and some they can’t<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> GameDay on May 1, 2013, 7:38 pm<\/p>\n

Brothelman brings up good points. We are advantage players. We seek advantage. One of the things that means is that we seek the most advantageous positions to play at. So seek the best position. If you get heat, move back. If not, as bro said "you are miles ahead". <\/p>\n

\tThe other point I think bro is making is that some players will get heat and some players will not, even though they are playing at the same table. I have seen this happen. This is where knowledge of GTC methods can help. If you are known as a good tipper, you will get away with some things that others will not. That is just the way it is.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on May 1, 2013, 8:03 pm<\/p>\n

Gameday you peaked my interest. I thought of the following to describe the journey to advantage play. I realize the poem has much deeper meaning than that. Some have equated it to life, death and other more significant symbolisms. But this came to my mind when you brought up comparing poems to the story of GTC.<\/p>\n

\tWhose woods these are I think I know.
\n\tHis house is in the village, though;
\n\tHe will not see me stopping here
\n\tTo watch his woods fill up with snow.<\/p>\n

\tMy little horse must think it queer
\n\tTo stop without a farmhouse near
\n\tBetween the woods and frozen lake
\n\tThe darkest evening of the year.<\/p>\n

\tHe gives his harness bells a shake
\n\tTo ask if there is some mistake.
\n\tThe only other sound’s the sweep
\n\tOf easy wind and downy flake.<\/p>\n

\tThe woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
\n\tBut I have promises to keep,
\n\tAnd miles to go before I sleep,
\n\tAnd miles to go before I sleep.<\/p>\n

\tRobert Frost<\/p>\n

\tAre the woods the casinos? Is the snow money that fills up the casinos? Is the horse representative of Dom and all the instructors wondering why I am hesitating, not practicing and working at the task? <\/p>\n

\tHe will not see me stopping here (I will stay under the radar and avoid being hassled by the pit personnel)
\n\tTo watch his woods fill up with snow (I will let the gamblers fill up the woods with snow – I will not do so). <\/p>\n

\tYes, the woods (casinos) are lovely, dark (danger can lurk there), and deep (deep pockets with bundles of cash),<\/p>\n

\tBut I have promises to keep (promises to myself to practice what I have been taught, follow the GTC commandments and stay disciplined)<\/p>\n

\tAnd miles to go before I sleep (lots of casinos to visit, lots of play before I stop playing craps)<\/p>\n

\tAnd miles to go before I sleep (practice, practice and more practice – diligence to the teachings of GTC – miles and miles of them)<\/p>\n

\tI find our Poet Laureate’s words can equally apply to the story of GTC and advantage play.<\/p>\n

\tWhat say you<\/span> \u2753 \u2753 \u2753<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> GameDay on May 1, 2013, 8:39 pm<\/p>\n

Skinny,
\n\tLove the poem. One of my favorites. Relates well to the GTC method. Who would have thought we could apply a Frost poem to "this thing of ours"? I do feel that we at GTC have taken the road less traveled. The road that is paved with hard work and patient play. <\/p>\n

\tAll this poetry talk leads me to the ultimate Tennyson poem about random rollers. Alfred Lord Tennyson took up their sad plight in the following poem. Our job is too make sure we are not the ones who fail "to reason why", and we are not there to just "to do or die". Seems as if Tennyson understood the "math" of the game. !!!! <\/p>\n

\t\u201cThe Charge of the Light Brigade\u201d<\/p>\n

\tHalf a league, half a league,
\n\tHalf a league onward,
\n\tAll in the valley of Death
\n\t Rode the six hundred.
\n\t\u2018Forward, the Light Brigade!
\n\tCharge for the guns!\u2019 he said:
\n\tInto the valley of Death
\n\t Rode the six hundred.
\n\t\u2018Forward, the Light Brigade!\u2019
\n\tWas there a man dismay\u2019d?
\n\tNot tho\u2019 the soldier knew
\n\t Someone had blunder\u2019d:
\n\tTheir\u2019s not to make reply,
\n\tTheir\u2019s not to reason why,
\n\tTheir\u2019s but to do and die:
\n\tInto the valley of Death
\n\t Rode the six hundred.
\n\tCannon to right of them,
\n\tCannon to left of them,
\n\tCannon in front of them
\n\t Volley\u2019d and thunder\u2019d;<\/p>\n

\tStorm\u2019d at with shot and shell,
\n\tBoldly they rode and well,
\n\tInto the jaws of Death,
\n\tInto the mouth of Hell
\n\t Rode the six hundred.
\n\tFlash\u2019d all their sabres bare,
\n\tFlash\u2019d as they turn\u2019d in air
\n\tSabring the gunners there,
\n\tCharging an army, while
\n\t All the world wonder\u2019d:
\n\tPlunged in the battery-smoke
\n\tRight thro\u2019 the line they broke;
\n\tCossack and Russian
\n\tReel\u2019d from the sabre-stroke
\n\tShatter\u2019d and sunder\u2019d.
\n\tThen they rode back, but not
\n\t Not the six hundred.
\n\tCannon to right of them,
\n\tCannon to left of them,
\n\tCannon behind them
\n\t Volley\u2019d and thunder\u2019d;
\n\tStorm\u2019d at with shot and shell,
\n\tWhile horse and hero fell,
\n\tThey that had fought so well
\n\tCame thro\u2019 the jaws of Death,
\n\tBack from the mouth of Hell,
\n\tAll that was left of them,
\n\t Left of six hundred.
\n\tWhen can their glory fade ?
\n\tO the wild charge they made!
\n\t All the world wonder\u2019d.
\n\tHonour the charge they made!
\n\tHonour the Light Brigade,
\n\t Noble six hundred!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on May 1, 2013, 11:17 pm<\/p>\n

Hats off to skinny and game day.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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