{"id":2370,"date":"2013-02-21T16:44:55","date_gmt":"2013-02-21T16:44:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/02\/21\/keeping-tract\/"},"modified":"2013-02-21T16:44:55","modified_gmt":"2013-02-21T16:44:55","slug":"keeping-tract","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2013\/02\/21\/keeping-tract\/","title":{"rendered":"keeping tract"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nWe all keep tract of some stuff, some at the casino and some at home. But<br \/>\n\tsome of the data we can tract can be very important, particular for the new<br \/>\n\tfolks.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen i am at the casino i keep track of my rolls and the number of 6 &amp; 8&#8217;s in those rolls.<br \/>\n\tThe number of each rolls is  important in that it dictates your betting. For instance if you are horse<br \/>\n\tcrap today and your rolls are 3,7,5,9,2,4    that tells you that you are terrible, but it also tells you<br \/>\n\tthe only numbers you can bet on are the ones that have the lowest edge &#8230;6 &amp; 8&#8230; and it<br \/>\n\tprobably tells you to go for a swim.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf you have 8, 15, 21,6,22,18     that tells you that you can bet on the 6 &amp; 8 and even the 4 or 10 if the<br \/>\n\tvig is paid on a win or if the $1 vig can be pushed to $30, adding a come bet can also be used<br \/>\n\tin addition to the 6 &amp; 8 which could put you on the 5,,4,9,or 10.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe number of 6 &amp; 8&#8217;s I throw is important to me because if i am at 30% or more i can increase<br \/>\n\tmy starting position on 6 &amp; 8&#8230;.. if i am under 30% i decrease it.<\/p>\n<p>\tAt home i keep track of both dice with different colored dice because i want to see what the axis <br \/>\n\tcontrol is on each die&#8230;. make what ever changes i can to equalize them. <\/p>\n<p>\tAxis control and understanding is vital because it can help you determine along with smart craps<br \/>\n\twhich set is best.   I always start with the hardway set. If it appears my control is good i go to the<br \/>\n\t3-v&#8230; i do this because if i stay on axis i will throw  3\/3 4\/4 2\/6 3\/6 ,  5-1 3-1 are fine<br \/>\n\tIf you see those reults then ok . If your left die starts showing 1 &amp; 6 or the right 5\/2 your not on<br \/>\n\taxis and you need to adjust or go back to the hardway set.<\/p>\n<p>\tKeeping tract is good, keeping tract with a purpose is better. <\/p>\n<p>\tgman <\/p>\n<p>\tdicesitter<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on February 21, 2013, 6:42 pm<\/p>\n<div>Gman said:<br \/>\n\t<strong>Keeping tract is good, keeping tract with a purpose is better. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tWise words!<\/p>\n<p>\tDominator<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> getagrip on February 24, 2013, 8:01 pm<\/p>\n<div>Hi GMan!<\/p>\n<p>\tI am curious about what you do to keep your notes while at the casino. Do you keep a pad and pen in the rail to mark down 6&#8217;s and 8&#8217;s or is your memory good enough to wait until after a session to put down your notes?  Do you use chips on the rail to count your box numbers and if so how do you manage it? Any other method? Do you have someone keep track for you and then you keep there stats when they shoot? <\/p>\n<p>\tI find it hard to keep track of anything when I am the shooter and I am always trying to develop a method for better notes after a session. Seems like anything that I have to think about when I am &quot;in the zone&quot; just makes me think too much. I do record numbers at home and know it should be second nature then when I am in the casino but it never quite works out that way.<\/p>\n<p>\tAny suggestions would be appreciated!  Thanks!  \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on February 25, 2013, 2:35 am<\/p>\n<div>Well depends on the evening.<\/p>\n<p>\tif i am on a weekend buss trip i try to write some things down. if i just run over<br \/>\n\tfor the evening and eat i just try to remember.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen i play i keep track of the rolls with chips like we all do. Most chip<br \/>\n\trails have two slots. On the top i keep track of the rolls, on the bottom i keep<br \/>\n\ttrack of the number of 6 , 8   . I dont keep track of 6 Or 8  just 1 chip for either.<br \/>\n\tSay a short roll is 6, 8 out&#8230;. that is 2 out of three. next roll is 3 our of 7&#8230; that is 5 for 10<br \/>\n\tetc&#8230;. next roll is 6 for 17&#8230; now you are 11 for 27&#8230;..  you can also keep track of<br \/>\n\tthat with chips if you want to&#8230;. i dont.  The general idea is that out of 36 rolls<br \/>\n\tnormal percentages indicate about 5 , 6 &amp; 8 or 10 in combination&#8230;if i can average 33%<br \/>\n\tthat is about 12 , that is about 8% more than normal, i can make money on that. Then<br \/>\n\ta really good roll, you make very good money on that.<\/p>\n<p>\tI dont really care if i am perfect here.. i do care that i am very close and with the<br \/>\n\t3\/v set i need to be 30-33% and i am ok betting higher on the 6 &amp; 8. If i am at this<br \/>\n\tpercentage i tend to also throw a number of 3\/1&#8217;s so i can play the 4 some.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tgman<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on February 28, 2013, 12:11 am<\/p>\n<div>I never count my throws when I am in the casino, I prefer to concentrate on my toss and void out all other activity.  The only thing I pay attention to are the dealers, I make a mental note of stick changes and I have always estimated 20 minutes per change and I will compute this into approx. 18 tosses.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe only thing I keep a log on is wins and losses.  I have a journal and I log in: casino, game, date, buy in $, walk $ and win \/ loss.  This is the info I keep on a small piece of paper and enter it in my permanent log when I get home.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We all keep tract of some stuff, some at the casino and some at home. But some of the data we can tract can be very important, particular for the new folks. 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