\tFinally, if none of those work here is my last solution. No matter how the dice are passed, you can turn them into one of 3 sets by rotating them about their vertical axis, the way you did to put the one and six on a certain axis. The 3 sets are the 2V, 3V or hard way sets. Billy the Kid tells an hilarious story about what happened to him when he played at the original Monte Carlo casino in Monaco, not the one in Vegas. You need to hear him tell that story in person because it is a riot. The upshot of the story is they would not let him set the dice. But they did not mind if he rotated them about the vertical axis. So that is what he did.<\/p>\n
\tI don’t remember the technique for rotating the dice to turn them into one of the 3 sets. But I do know that any pair of dice can be turned into exactly one of those 3 sets by rotating them about the vertical axis. Maybe someone else on the board can help out here.<\/p>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on January 28, 2013, 7:46 am<\/p>\nI find that there is a big difference in a crew person and a pit critter. But some pit critters don’t care about my small action and they are happy when I can draw more people to the table. In the big pic. one person for one day is not going to hurt their bottom line.
\n\tThe 20 Cs work good most of the time.Dealers are human too.<\/p>\n
\tTry tok on your roll only.<\/p>\n
\tI now put out a pass line bet for them on my roll but only add odds when I make money on another number. So say my point is 4 and I place the 6 and 8 when I roll a 6 or 8 I will take one dollar and put up odds for them.This also helps me to know when to start up a unite. They seem to like it and they pay more attention to the game along with my bets.<\/p>\n
\tLots of times the dice are sent back to me set in one form or another. Some times even the pit looks at them and sets them to see what my reaction is.I have been asked at times how I like them set but always say I have no set way. When ever they talk about classes or other things I just let it go in one ear and out the other.
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\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00 \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> JRC on January 28, 2013, 3:55 pm<\/p>\nWhen you shoot you may ask the stick what hardway they would like you to bet for them. No matter what
\n\tnumber is picked put up a dollar bet for the crew. Of course you need a visual aid. "Can you show me what that looks like?" I can’t see any reason the stick would not be glad to set the hard whatever their money is on up as a visual aid to help you get them paid.<\/p>\n
\tThis has worked for me at casinos I have not played at much. What we do is no seceret anymore so we don’t avoid notice when we play. At least if we draw notice we can turn it as positive as the situation will allow. If you play at this location ofter it won’t be long before the whole process becomes automatic. These people are working for a living and will most likely take any cover you offer to keep the boss off their tails.<\/p>\n
\tJRC<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on January 29, 2013, 12:58 am<\/p>\nHave them work WITH us is much better . I like that.
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Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on January 29, 2013, 6:08 pm<\/p>\nAgain I will say that the best way to handle this situation is to set quickly. Now some of you might think you are setting quickly, but you are not. My example … my trip to Aruba this past summer…every table had a sign that said NO DICE SETTING. <\/p>\n
\tI had a tip on the line with odds for the dealers, when the dice were in the middle I scanned them and know what I was going to do to get my hardway set. I NEVER had one dealer in the week I was there tell me I couldn’t set although they said it to others at the table. Why because I rotated them into a set in about 1.5 seconds or less. I have had a monster roll at one casino without any comments to me.<\/p>\n
\tSo people learn to scan the dice as they are in the middle of the table, know how you are going to set them before they get to you, and tip.<\/p>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Set44 on January 30, 2013, 4:32 am<\/p>\nThank you everyone for your help, suggestions and insight. Skinny, has written to me about setting with the rotation, something I was not doing, although I always look at what the dice are when sitting in front of the boxman.
\n\t I have been practicing ration setting as I put the die together and have cut my time considerably and into a smooth motion. I will be trying the new skill later this week. It is a Great Day for Craps. Set44 \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on January 30, 2013, 4:48 am<\/p>\nJust by moving one dice two clicks you can put up a set that is gtc approved.<\/p>\n
\n\tIf you do not believe me just write the set out hear and i will tell you how to turn the one dice twice and twice only to get a set.<\/p>\n
\n\tYou must be doing somthing right, one day i had them move me back four or five times i just kept throwing numbers i finished throwing i was almost in the hook.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on January 30, 2013, 2:15 pm<\/p>\nYep, and you don’t need to keep the same set when you do this. What I mean is if you start with the 5’s on top on the hardway set, but while they are in the middle, you see both dies with 3’s on top then do the hardway set that way<\/p>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on February 9, 2013, 4:57 pm<\/p>\nWe should all remember that we should be using the Hard Way set for the first year or two before we think about trying another set. The basic lesson we have learned or been taught is that the Hard Way set is the best way to avoid a 7. <\/p>\n
\tRemember keep it simple. KISS!!!!!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Timmer on February 10, 2013, 7:08 pm<\/p>\n\n
"Mr Finesse" wrote:<\/strong> Remember keep it simple. KISS!!!!!<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\tKISS… Very wise advice from "Eagle Eye" Mr Finesse…<\/p>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on March 17, 2013, 1:06 pm<\/p>\nI will say it again, it is never the set, but the grip<\/p>\n
\tDominator<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> 4pork on March 17, 2013, 2:06 pm<\/p>\nDom,
\n\tWhat do you see as the biggest flaw in grips you observe?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on March 17, 2013, 2:22 pm<\/p>\nThe biggest flaw with the grip is not practicing gripping the dice and looking at how you have gripped them. <\/p>\n
\tEvery individual will do something different when their grip is off, so it is difficult to one thing happens more than another. If I had to pick one I would say it is most people grip the dice to TIGHT, they need to be gripped lightly so they almost fall out of your fingers when you lifth them from the table top.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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