{"id":1838,"date":"2012-12-04T02:36:38","date_gmt":"2012-12-04T02:36:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/12\/04\/the-wagon\/"},"modified":"2012-12-04T02:36:38","modified_gmt":"2012-12-04T02:36:38","slug":"the-wagon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/12\/04\/the-wagon\/","title":{"rendered":"THE WAGON"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nThis message is mostly for Franken, but also the53% that voted for Obama.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tThe way this country was founded was on a very simple principle, &quot;free&quot; people will work<br \/>\n\tharder for themselves and their families than they will for others. It is the extent of that<br \/>\n\teffort based on freedom that in the end produces the most for society that , that person<br \/>\n\tis able to.  The excess production is used by all in society.<\/p>\n<p>\tHuman nature being what it is always ends up with some that cant or wont be productive,<br \/>\n\tand they not only do not produce enough to be shared by society but end   up taking from<br \/>\n\tsociety. We accept that notion to some extent so we have the producers pulling a wagon<br \/>\n\thauling or providing for others. Obama and the democratic party have loaded up the <br \/>\n\twagon with more and more that take more than they produce, in part because of<br \/>\n\tneed and in part because  people like Obama pay you not to produce and push you<br \/>\n\ton the wagon. Each person taken from the producer side and moved to the wagon side<br \/>\n\tmake it harder to pull. <\/p>\n<p>\tA person like Obama and Franken actually think you can take all the pullers and load them in<br \/>\n\tthe wagon and it will still move.<\/p>\n<p>\tI view of the world indicates that most wagons have stopped, the pullers are two few. Any attempt<br \/>\n\tto get people off the wagon and back to pulling is met with riots in the streets, over taxed pullers<br \/>\n\tmoving or shutting down their business. The Obama type of society does not work anywhere, and it<br \/>\n\twill not work here.<\/p>\n<p>\tthose that think we cant be like others dont understand we are already there. If any attempt were<br \/>\n\tmade to decrease public union retirement programs to any type of reasonable level will be met with<br \/>\n\triots in the streets. A review of recent Wisconsin history is an example&#8230;.. ask public employee<br \/>\n\tunions to pay 5% of their insurance or 12% of their retirement and what did you get&#8230;. mind you, others that are paying 95% of the public unions were not marching in madison, nor were the others paying 88% of the<br \/>\n\tunion retirement programs.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tAs Franken has said the 47% have spoken&#8230; this  is  correct and they are all in the wagon.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tgman<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on December 4, 2012, 11:13 pm<\/p>\n<div>You are so right.<\/p>\n<p>\tHere is a saying I heard many years ago:<\/p>\n<p>\tSome people make things happen&#8212;the producers you mention who pull the wagon.<\/p>\n<p>\tSome people watch things happen&#8212;people watching the wagon go by but carrying some of the load.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe rest are people who wonder what happened&#8212;think they are riding in the wagon????  You bet<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on December 5, 2012, 3:53 pm<\/p>\n<div>understanding the wagon thing is bad enough, but i have to admit<br \/>\n\tjust going to work since the election has been hard. I understand<br \/>\n\ti work out of my home, and do well so i should not complain&#8230;. i get<br \/>\n\tthat&#8230; i should be thankful and i get that to&#8230;.. but i have sent in<br \/>\n\tan awful lot of tax dollars the last15 years and to have it used to<br \/>\n\tbuy the votes of those that dont agree with me on anything is almost<br \/>\n\tmore than i can handle<\/p>\n<p>\tWorking to pay some one to make the work that i do so much harder<br \/>\n\tdoes not make any sense to me.<\/p>\n<p>\tAll in all maybe a person is better being a liberal, you dont have to think,&#8217;<br \/>\n\tyour never wrong, and you get others to pay for all the good deeds you<br \/>\n\twant done&#8230; being a conservative means you approach problems<br \/>\n\tlogically&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tI know you understand that&#8230;. what in hell just happened, those dice looked<br \/>\n\tperfect and i got a 1-6.<\/p>\n<p>\tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This message is mostly for Franken, but also the53% that voted for Obama. The way this country was founded was on a very simple principle, &quot;free&quot; people will work harder for themselves and their families than they will for others&#8230;.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":15,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1838","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-world-we-live-in"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1838","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/15"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1838"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1838\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1838"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1838"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1838"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}