\nI’m wondering if some of you more skilled "Controllers" or hopefully some instructors can offer some helpful tips. As I must wait until March for the next class in my area, I find that I am addicted to practicing I just don’t want to be practicing the wrong way.<\/p>\n
\tI find that some practice sessions I can absolutely feel the dice leave my hand perfectly and smoothly as they spin on axis effortlessly and hit the rig and gently land on a Hardway Number, I feel like " wow I felt that it works its real" then all of a sudden I lose that feeling. I’m forcing it and talking to my self trying to find that feel and smooth delivery again? I know this feeling, I’ve had it with everything I’ve played wether its golf, bowling, baseball etc..
\n\tBut in other sports It seems like i can get it back faster, like Bowling I can aim for a certain board and get out of the oil I can get my steps and delivery in sink. In golf my grip and my tempo you know. So why with this I seem to lose that smooth easy feeling and cannot get it back until I stop practicing rest for a while and pick up the dice again? I’m not even sure any of you can help with issue I seem to have, I think it’s me!<\/p>\n
Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on November 8, 2012, 9:54 pm<\/p>\n \tJust a couple of idle thoughts. Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on November 8, 2012, 10:06 pm<\/p>\n \tIn my case i had been playing 25 years when i took the first class, and had been practicing from \tIts not that you cant get better on your own, it is just a lot better to do it right the first \tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> getagrip on November 8, 2012, 10:22 pm<\/p>\n \tThe way I read your post is that sometimes you feel the dice "rolling" off your fingertips perfectly and sometimes you don’t. Usually, the times that you don’t, this means you are opening up your hand instead of keeping it closed and just letting the dice roll out on their own. You are "throwing" the dice when your hand is open. Closed hand and letting the dice "roll" out is the proper way. <\/p>\n \tI apologize if I read wrong and this is not the answer you are looking for.<\/p>\n \tAlso, the problem could be that you are just playing when you are tired or have practiced too much. Never a good idea as all kinds of bad habits can be ingrained this way.<\/p>\n \tThe best thing to do is just practice your grip to perfection and wait for the class for the rest of the details. I also know how hard that is to do even though it is the best advice given. \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on November 8, 2012, 10:38 pm<\/p>\n \tSince you are taking your first class this coming March, it is probably not possible for you to be able to do that yet. It is very difficult to learn the proper technique on your own. It is good for you to read and study the video. Then try to emulate what you think you should be doing. But do not put too much effort into building your muscle memory yet. It is best if you have a solid foundation based on the basics and work hard on training your muscle memory on the technique that has been taught rather than self learned. I have found the students who have done this tend to have the fastest learning curve.<\/p>\n \tBut if you work too hard at the wrong technique it is a lot harder for us to get you on the right track because there is too much to unlearn and change.<\/p>\n \tThe one thing you can do on your own which will provide a big benefit to you is to get the grip down perfect before taking the class. You want to get to the point where you can grip the dice and be able to tell if it is right or wrong by feel.<\/p>\n \tHere are the things you want to check when gripping the dice. Be sure your thumb and middle finger are centered on both die with equal pressure on each face. Make sure your 3 fingers are straight across the dice. Do not put any pressure on the dice with your two outside fingers, the ring and index finger. Those should just be resting lightly on the dice and not pushing on the dice what so ever. Finally your grip should be so light that it only takes a feather laying on the dice to knock them out of your hand. You can get this feel by gripping the dice. Then keep loosening your grip until the dice fall out of your hand. I do not mean for your to open your fingers to let them drop. But to keep loosening the pressure with your thumb until the dice fall out. Now just before they fall out is how tight you should be gripping the dice. You only need enough pressure so they do not fall out. But more than that is too much.<\/p>\n \tI think I read where you are getting a gripper. That can be a big help in getting your fingers in the proper position. But the tightness you have to do on your own. Start out with the gripper by putting the dice in the gripper and then putting your fingers on them. The gripper will help you to get your 3 fingers straight across along with the thumb and fingers the right distance down on the dice. You then want to be able to take the dice out of the gripper as gently as possible. The next thing you do is to grip the dice on your table without using the gripper and then put them into the gripper once you feel you have the right grip on them. If you have the proper grip you should be able to put the dice into the gripper without touching the sides of the gripper and your fingers should be in the right place when you put the dice in the gripper. If your fingers are off you will notice it when putting them back in the gripper.<\/p>\n \tAs I said you want to get to the point where you can tell by feel if you have the proper grip or not. So when you put the dice in the gripper after having gripped them without the gripper, it should be perfect. If they are not perfect and you thought you had the right grip, obviously you need more work on the grip.<\/p>\n \tIn summing up, I think you should keep practicing. But the majority of your time should be spent on being able to grip the dice with your eyes closed and know that you have them gripped properly.<\/p>\n \tI see while I was writing this others have already given a similar response. But since I have it written, I am going to post it anyhow. Hope this helps.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on November 9, 2012, 1:31 am<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 9, 2012, 2:50 am<\/p>\n \tI tried the tip on keeping my hand closed and that was defenatley one of the things that was happening, also my thumb was a bit too high. Then I read a previous post where Timmer said to use the 5 facing me as a guid to see where my thumb was, after making these adjustments I was very pleased with a practice session of 50 throws and only 2 sevens, the first 7 came after my 43rd throw, using the HW set. I have to say I took much more time with my throws than i normally do, plus i watched my video to see if I was consistent. However this time when I felt a little tired I stopped. <\/p>\n \tThank you again, for me, reading what you guys have learned really helps. I’m sure in March I’m going to learn so much more, but after reading these responses I think I’m on the right track I just need some classes and some notes, and of course lots of Pracrice. <\/p>\n \tLook forward to meeting you guys someday,<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on November 9, 2012, 3:14 am<\/p>\n \tPlaying golf how long? Throwing dice how long?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on November 9, 2012, 12:33 pm<\/p>\n \tSelf critique is also most important. <\/p>\n \tWhen you do practice throwing the dice don’t just keep throwing the dice and the dice keep doing the same thing. Look at the results so you can figure out how to evaluate what you are doing wrong. Make small corrections to your throw and grip. In other words do not keep doing the same bad habit over and over wondering what is wrong. The muscle memory causing these imperfections will have to be corrected.<\/p>\n \tJust a few thougths.<\/p>\n \tDoc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 9, 2012, 1:07 pm<\/p>\n \tOh I’m actually answering?? I get it….. Very Clevor, You got me, I’ve only started learning about 6 months now. I was always intrigued by the Craps table in the Casino’s just didn’t know the game or how to play. Even tho I knew the dealers would help I didn’t trust them, so I wanted to learn and I started reading Franks Books. Then I emailed Dom and couldn’t believe he actually called me on the phone because I saw the link of the TV Documentory done on him and I was amazed he would call me. Then I read "Casino Craps Shoot to Win" and immediately built a practice rig. Now I’m hooked and determined, just knowing the house odds and the smart way to bet makes me feel like I have an edge on the Casino, imagine when I can control how the dice land?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on November 9, 2012, 3:47 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Mr Finesse on November 9, 2012, 3:50 pm<\/p>\n \tLastly work on setting the dice quickly, use only the hard way set this is all you will need for the first year.<\/p>\n \tHope to meet you on March.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on November 9, 2012, 4:55 pm<\/p>\n \n\tWe all make bad shots if not several people i know would not be aloud to play anywhere,lmao.<\/p>\n \tYou are in the right place.<\/p>\n \tYour questions are great.<\/p>\n \tthe only bad one is the one that you do not ask.<\/p>\n \tHope you have the jopurney of a life time.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 9, 2012, 6:18 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> getagrip on November 9, 2012, 6:37 pm<\/p>\n \tGlad to hear it is again Sunny in Puerto Rico! \ud83d\ude00 \ud83d\ude06 \ud83d\ude06 <\/p>\n \tKeep practicing and enjoy!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 9, 2012, 8:46 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 16, 2012, 4:26 am<\/p>\n I’m wondering if some of you more skilled "Controllers" or hopefully some instructors can offer some helpful tips. 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\n\tDoc<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\twhat Doc said…..<\/p>\n
\n\tthe videos for 18 months prior to the class. I have now taken 3 classes and am still working
\n\tto get rid of the bad habits i learned in the 18 months on my own.<\/p>\n
\n\ttime.<\/p>\n
\n\tYou need to keep looking for small thinks like that .
\n\tBeing a guy I don’t look at my nails that often.
\n\tAlso have you tried the tooth pick thing. I think that if you try that it may tell you if you are opening your hand like getagrip said just a thought.
\n\tRead some of old posts and time will go by fast. \ud83d\ude00 \ud83d\ude00
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00 \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00 \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n.———-the only thing i did differnt in my practice-was to keep my hand close when i release the dice. good luck today at the tables. JAIME. FROM SUNNY PUERTO RICO. \ud83d\ude42 \ud83d\ude42 \ud83d\ude42 .<\/div>\n<\/div>\n