{"id":1733,"date":"2012-11-08T17:06:53","date_gmt":"2012-11-08T17:06:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/11\/08\/where-have-all-the-moderates-gone\/"},"modified":"2012-11-08T17:06:53","modified_gmt":"2012-11-08T17:06:53","slug":"where-have-all-the-moderates-gone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/11\/08\/where-have-all-the-moderates-gone\/","title":{"rendered":"Where Have All The Moderates Gone?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nOK everyone,<\/p>\n<p>\tThis is just my opinion and I do not have the political acumen of most that post to these threads regularly.<br \/>\n\tI just have to ask.  Where are the political Moderates?  I don\u2019t think many are being elected to the House and Senate anymore. I actually think this is what will bring the USA down eventually.<\/p>\n<p>\tEveryone on both political sides are so polarized that no one will give an inch or work together. Actually, either side just listens to their own talk shows that emphasize their formed opinion and never listens to a cross section of political views.  I think this is true of most anyway. The media takes whatever they want to out of context and berates it\u2014and I am talking about both parties here. The Left moves further left and the Right moves farther right.  There doesn\u2019t seem to be any middle ground anymore or people like me who seem to be in the middle and can see good and bad on both sides of the spectrum.  I don\u2019t ever vote for a political party but for the person that I think will do the best job. I think most just vote along party lines.  Believe me, I am not saying I am right in this but this is just how I do it and I feel I am really the political minority.<\/p>\n<p>\tI find it very interesting that the Left is OK with abortion but horrified by the thought of the USA being in a war.  I also find it very interesting that the Right is horrified by abortion but is OK with going to war if it is needed.  Both take away human life. I actually am old enough to understand that war is needed sometimes although I don\u2019t like it and I also understand that abortion is needed sometimes even if I don\u2019t like it. <\/p>\n<p>\tLet me just say. I don\u2019t like mixing religion with politics directly although I understand that if you are part of a certain religion that will help shape who you are morally or you picked that religion because it best exemplifies who you already are.<\/p>\n<p>\t I don\u2019t expect that others here will feel as I do as I know everyone has their own beliefs about such strong topics.  My point here is&#8212;-What side would vote for a political candidate like me?  Neither, I would guess, in any numbers so it just goes to my point of no Moderates in the Congress or House to work across party lines. <\/p>\n<p>\tNothing will get done again in the next four years in my opinion. Everyone will just want what they want and no compromises will be made for the good of the USA.  I surely hope I am wrong!!<\/p>\n<p>\tOK, all you people out there who are more politically well read than I am. Fire Away!!  \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on November 8, 2012, 10:25 pm<\/p>\n<div>i hear this stuff about moderates and tea party folks and on and on&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tThis baffles the snarf out of me&#8230;..   we just lost control of our country, We have<br \/>\n\tbeen told&#8230; openly and right to the point that if your a hard worker and small<br \/>\n\tbusiness person, your opinion does not count&#8230;if you believe in economic freedom<br \/>\n\tyour living in the dark ages.<\/p>\n<p>\tPeople are now saying gosh i did not vote because Romney was to moderate&#8230;<br \/>\n\tgive me a break. You either want a free country or you dont&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>\tdid you hear any democrate say, golly gee Obama voted 4 times not to allow<br \/>\n\tmedical care to a child that survived abortion&#8230; he is a little to liberal for me???<br \/>\n\tdid you hear any democrate say, wow America is full of small business people and<br \/>\n\tObama is not for them&#8230;. maybe he is to much of a socialist&#8230;&#8230;.?????  did you<br \/>\n\thear any democrates say you know,, we are over 16 trillion in debt and i understand <br \/>\n\twe are going broke and Obama still wants to spend more&#8230;. maybe i will wait for<br \/>\n\ta more moderate democrate to come alone&#8230;..????<\/p>\n<p>\tThey hate us as much as they hated bush and Reagan and any other business person or hard<br \/>\n\t worker that gets ahead,,,,, end of story<br \/>\n\tWe can have a pitty party or an excuse party for the next 4 years and you will lose<br \/>\n\tagain because the truth is simple&#8230;&#8230; they wanted a socialistic society more than we<br \/>\n\twanted a free one&#8230; and there may well be more of them.<\/p>\n<p>\tPeople say  no more moderates next time it is a tea party candidate,  republican candidate<br \/>\n\tand the democratic socialist party&#8230;.. fine&#8230;. dems win in a land slide, tea party comes<br \/>\n\tin a distant 2nd and the republican party further third&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>\tDoes losing by a lot more make you feel better????<\/p>\n<p>\tLike the  guy said, i cant remember who he was&#8230;.. if we dont hang together we will<br \/>\n\tcertainly hang alone.<\/p>\n<p>\tThey dont need a reason to vote against us&#8230;.. and we cant even find a reason to vote<br \/>\n\tfor us&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>\tThis nonsense is more than i can handle.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tgman<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dogleg on November 9, 2012, 5:46 am<\/p>\n<div>When a ship is sailing left or port, and you are on that ship.  The Light house on the right seems to be moving farther right.  Its a matter of relitivity.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe Demacratic party of the 60s was farther right than the republicans are now.<\/p>\n<p>\tI may be wrong but I think we just saw the last election of any contest.  If Obama does not apoint himself King by executive order and make voting aganst him a felony.  Then buy the time he gets thru with this 4 years it wont be worth voting any way.  Comunist China will be the next big capitalist country and our only salvation will be if they take us over, They may even export jobs over seas to Amerika  ka  ka. They have been there and they know what works and what does not. Too bad we forgot.  Maybe if we ask them real nice they will let us keep our flag just for old time sake.  I feel like pukeing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. \ud83d\ude25<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on November 9, 2012, 10:11 am<\/p>\n<div>Actually Get@Grip. your views are more in line with Libertarian views, as mine really are. I am totally a fiscal conservative and most people I know can&#8217;t believe that I actually watch &quot;Morning Joe&quot; in the morning, (a very liberal minded show) and Fox shows in the evening. I want to hear the other side.<\/p>\n<p>\tAs far as social issues like abortion, I was and maybe still am  for legal abortion, but something happened to me recently that kind of makes me rethink my views. I met two people that are just fantastic people, hard working people, that if their mother decided to abort instead of, one giving their child up to an orphanage, and the other having the grandparents take care of the child would not be in this world. This makes me wonder. <\/p>\n<p>\tContraceptives, I just don&#8217;t think I should pay through my insurance payments for contraceptives. When I was sexually active as a younger man, well, the girl or I took care of things like that. <\/p>\n<p>\tI again say that most people don&#8217;t know what is actually going on in this country, that our national debt is greater than our GNP and what that really means. The country spoke this week, and they said, I don&#8217;t care as long as I can get what I need from the government and the  heck with the others.<\/p>\n<p>\tSomeone needs to come along who can articulate that it is better fend for your self and the WE can take care of ourselves without the government telling us through laws how much soda we can drink and how much salt to out on our meals. <\/p>\n<p>\tThis reminds me of a story that I might have posted before &#8230; I was in Pakistan on business about 15 years ago. As my driver was driving through town I saw things like children working instead of being in school, no traffic lights for a right or left hand turn, people selling chickens on the street without being regulated, etc &#8230; I said to the driver, &quot;What is going on here?&quot; His response to me was &#8230; &quot;AND YOU THINK YOU LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY!&quot;&#8230;.Think about it.<\/p>\n<p>\tDominator<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on November 12, 2012, 6:12 am<\/p>\n<div>Dom I thought about it Did you want to move there then or are you thinking more about moving there now? That will tell you some thing about what you think about this USA. I like were I live just not the politics. Even tho it is HOT. My POOL GOT TO 106 THIS SUMMER AND IT IS NOT HEATED <br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on November 12, 2012, 1:57 pm<\/p>\n<div>Of course I wouldn&#8217;t want to live in Pakistan, but I can tell you that I have thought about living somewhere else. This is a great country but our freedoms and liberties are being systematically being removed. It is great that we can voice our opinions without the threat of being shot for treason, but certain unalienable rights to pursue personal liberties are being taken from us. <\/p>\n<p>\tI do wonder what I would do or where I would go if I didn&#8217;t have the responsibilities that I have. Places do come to my mind but I won&#8217;t disclose them here. The idea of government getting bigger and bigger with no end in sight just turns my stomach. I am old enough now to long for the days past<\/p>\n<p>\tDominator<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Timmer on November 20, 2012, 6:16 pm<\/p>\n<div>I would love to see a viable 3rd Party, preferably Liberitarian.  <\/p>\n<p>\tI would also love to see a 3rd Party garner 5% or more of the vote, thus earning matching campaign funds for the next election.<\/p>\n<p>\tSad to say I&#8217;ve become quite cynical and am disgusted with both the Democratic and Republican parties.  \ud83d\ude41 <\/p>\n<p>\tMy litmus test is whether or not the words, act, bill, law, campaign, etc., are in what I think are the best interests of our country.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhile a convenient scapegoat, blaming the current chair-sitter in The Office of the President (Insert name here) is taking our eye off the ball.  The sad fact is the President has largely become a mere figurehead with little power to change much of anything.<\/p>\n<p>\tBe it Obama, Romney, Bush or Gore, et. al. before them, or the many other &quot;career politician&quot; candidates professing to be for or against this or that, i.e. &quot;Obamney&quot; Care, it is, in my opinion, simply measured and meaningless rhetoric.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe Republicans and Democrats will say anything and do whatever is needed to get elected, regardless of what is in our country&#8217;s best interests.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen love of country takes second fiddle to special interest influence and simply getting elected, something is very, very, VERY wrong.<\/p>\n<p>\tI believe meaningful change will not take place until we somehow get rid of the enormous influence special interest groups wield over the greedy &quot;career politicians&quot; in both the corrupted Republican and Democratic parties.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe tail is wagging the dog.<\/p>\n<p>\tI&#8217;ve got one word to start meaningful change:  Congressional Term Limitations.<\/p>\n<p>\tOoops&#8230;  I guess that&#8217;s three words&#8230;  Oh well&#8230;  \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p>\tSorry to rant&#8230;  Just my opinion and I&#8217;m probably wrong&#8230; <\/p>\n<p>\t \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on November 22, 2012, 12:57 pm<\/p>\n<div>NoOt wrong at all Timmer!<\/p>\n<p>\tDom<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> ACPA on November 28, 2012, 5:40 am<\/p>\n<div>Timmer,<\/p>\n<p>\tI hear you, but I&#8217;m don&#8217;t believe term limits is the answer.<\/p>\n<p>\tThat would IMHO just give the lobbys more power and influence.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t know what the answer is though.<\/p>\n<p>\tNoah<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> sevenout on November 28, 2012, 7:16 am<\/p>\n<div>Two words, Fair Tax.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen polititians can no longer whore out the tax code, they would have to attend to the business they were elected to handle.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Timmer on November 28, 2012, 4:39 pm<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&quot;ACPA&quot; wrote:<\/strong> Timmer, I hear you, but I&#8217;m don&#8217;t believe term limits is the answer. That would IMHO just give the lobbys more power and influence.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t know what the answer is though. Noah<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\tHello Noah,<\/p>\n<p>\tI&#8217;m not suggesting congressional term limits are <em>THE<\/em> answer to all political problems.  However I do feel limits ending &quot;career politicians&quot; would start meaningful change in Washington DC&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tI mentioned wishing for a viable third party.  Campaign finance reform is something else that would help create change.<\/p>\n<p>\tBeing weary of most politician&#8217;s empty campagin promises, measured spin and time-wasting, mind-numbing rhetoric, the key word for me in all this is <em>meaningful<\/em>&#8230;  <\/p>\n<p>\tNoah, I&#8217;m interested to learn your reasons and humble opinion why you think congressional term limitations would &quot;&#8230;just give the lobbys more power and influence.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>\tWould you care to elaborate on this?<\/p>\n<p>\t \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e  \ud83d\ude0e<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> ACPA on November 29, 2012, 1:50 am<\/p>\n<div>Sally and I were friends with a state senator when we lived in Arkansas and Sally was going to serve as his campaign manager for the US senate.  He eventually decided not to run.<\/p>\n<p>\tOne of the most direct man I ever knew.  You always knew where he stood even if you didn&#8217;t agree with him.  Arkansas was considering term limits for it state representatives and state senators.  We often talked about that and Mike described what happens when a new guy is elected and how much there is to learn about how the system actually works.  (as an aside, if you haven&#8217;t seen the movie Lincoln, it also illustrates the process)<\/p>\n<p>\tThere is a lot to learn from those who have been through it and if you don&#8217;t have someone to lead you, the best of you will make some mistakes, some of which may not be recoverable from.  The lobbyist won&#8217;t have term limits even if others do.<\/p>\n<p>\tNoah<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Not2soon on December 6, 2012, 6:42 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&quot;Dominator&quot; wrote:<\/strong> Of course I wouldn&#8217;t want to live in Pakistan, but I can tell you that I have thought about living somewhere else. This is a great country but our freedoms and liberties are being systematically being removed. It is great that we can voice our opinions without the threat of being shot for treason, but certain unalienable rights to pursue personal liberties are being taken from us. <\/p>\n<p>\tI do wonder what I would do or where I would go if I didn&#8217;t have the responsibilities that I have. Places do come to my mind but I won&#8217;t disclose them here. The idea of government getting bigger and bigger with no end in sight just turns my stomach. I am old enough now to long for the days past<\/p>\n<p>\tDominator<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\tHey Dom,<\/p>\n<p>\tYou can come build a house on my ranch in Australia.  I think that being on a huge island at the bottom of the globe will be the place once the rest of the world is one big European shit-fest!!!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> NofieldFive on December 6, 2012, 10:16 pm<\/p>\n<div>Can I pitch a tent under a tree?  Where will the craps table be?<\/p>\n<p>\tNFF<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Not2soon on December 7, 2012, 5:33 am<\/p>\n<div>Of course you can, Audie!  Since you brought it up you are in charge of bringing the table.<\/p>\n<p>\t\ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on December 16, 2012, 3:47 pm<\/p>\n<div>Get rid of the federal imcome tax would be a good start.  It is the worst curse our ancesters put on us.  We need to constitutionally abolish the income tax and have a value added ( read sales) tax.  I read a recent article that a 23% (seems high doesn&#8217;t it) on everything we purchase would allow us to eliminate the income tax, social security tax, medicare tax, franchise taxes, gas tax, etc.  In other words tax what we spend.  I guaranteed that the Bill Gates of this country would pay much more for a brand new Mercedes that I would for a used 2 or 3 year old Toyota of any model.  <\/p>\n<p>\tI am tired of so many citizens (and non citizens) of this country) earning money in a cash only basis and not reporting it and then filing for a federal tax refund because their so-called reported income is so low.  They paid no tax and get money back through this tax credit.  This would eliminate this so called underground economy that exist in out country.  These people would pay some taxes with their purchases.  <\/p>\n<p>\tIt will not happen but I do feel it would be a fairer tax than what we now have.  Every one needs to pay some taxes and taxing what we spend would be a good start.<\/p>\n<p>\tSecondly if the income tax is abolished it would get the feds out of our lives.  I am so tired, as a self employed individual, as is Alligator Rose, of the never ending records I must keep to satisify the IRS.  I have files that go back 10 years even if I only need less records.    <\/p>\n<p>\tJust a few thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>\tDoc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>OK everyone, This is just my opinion and I do not have the political acumen of most that post to these threads regularly. I just have to ask. Where are the political Moderates? 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