{"id":1707,"date":"2012-11-05T18:23:34","date_gmt":"2012-11-05T18:23:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/11\/05\/casinos-fewer-craps-tables-trend\/"},"modified":"2012-11-05T18:23:34","modified_gmt":"2012-11-05T18:23:34","slug":"casinos-fewer-craps-tables-trend","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/11\/05\/casinos-fewer-craps-tables-trend\/","title":{"rendered":"Casino&#039;s Fewer Craps Tables Trend?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nA casino in Illinois that opened with 8 tables in the 90&#8217;s had only 5 in the early 2000&#8217;s, just recently had only 3 open earlier this year and as of 2 months ago is now down to 2.  I asked the pit boss &quot;are you going down to one soon?&quot;  he said &quot;we can&#8217;t&quot; (like it was something they looked into?) Is this a trend anyone else is seeing??<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on November 5, 2012, 6:49 pm<\/p>\n<div>This is what I call sad but true.  I do think there will always to some craps tables as the customers will demand them.  That being said, the casinos would perfer to do away with all table games.  In most cases the slots\/video poker machines have a high vig in favor of the casino way up in the double digits on.  This is true for many machines but not all.  With slots they do not have to have (read pay) dealers, and other pit supervisors so it is a two edge sword in the casino&#8217;s favor&#8212;better house edge and less salary to manage the machines.  The casinos know that the machines cannot be beat in the long run.  Walk around any casino and you see that some 80% of the floor space is devoted to machines.  <\/p>\n<p>\tMy take is that we will see fewer craps tables but they will not go away entirely.  AND there will always be a few casinos that will give the customers what they want&#8212;games where the player has a chance and games that the players love to play.  These casinos will probably have multiple craps tables.<\/p>\n<p>\tMy $.02 worth.<\/p>\n<p>\tDoc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on November 7, 2012, 4:43 am<\/p>\n<div>I think that when WE all get those surveys to ask when are They going to have a craps tournament . The power is in the PIN. <br \/>\n\tI have seen less and less of crap tables even when they are crowded all the time . Some open late and close early now .<br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> T-Burg on November 7, 2012, 11:52 am<\/p>\n<div>The trend that seems most common is the number of tables during the week has consistently gone down.<br \/>\n\tMeanwhile the number of players for those tables has remained the same.<br \/>\n\tCase in point, drove 3 hrs to the Buffalo area last week.  They have 6 tables available with 2 always open.<br \/>\n\tAt noon if the 2 tables were crowded they would open a third.  Not anymore.   <br \/>\n\tThe 2 tables had 12 players per table and not one spot opened for the 2 hours that I watched them.<br \/>\n\tGot back in my car and drove 3 hours back home without touching a pair of dice.    That sucked and I probably won&#8217;t return there until those conditions change<\/p>\n<p>\tThe weekends seem to be a different story.<br \/>\n\tIn AC a couple of weeks ago we found a lot more tables open and most of them were at least 3\/4 full.<\/p>\n<p>\tAs in all things today the bottom line will be the math.  The casino bean counters will prevail!<br \/>\n\tIt takes 3 dealers and a box man to man a craps table, so 4 people. And you can have possibly 12 players give or take.<br \/>\n\tAt a BJ table a single dealer can deal to 6 players.  So potentially those 4 dealers could possibly serve 24 players instead of 12.<\/p>\n<p>\tThis is without even mentioning the space which the tables are taking away from the real or should I say reel money makers.<br \/>\n\tI&#8217;m sure every time a bean counter looks at 4 empty craps tables they are looking at the potential of an additional 50 or more slot machines.<\/p>\n<p>\tHere is where we as players should be more proactive.<br \/>\n\tWhen we go to a casino and all the craps tables are full we need to go to the pit boss and have a little chat.<br \/>\n\tAsk him politely if there is a possibility of another table opening.<br \/>\n\tOr if would be better to come back  at a different time.<br \/>\n\tIs there an actual schedule as to times of tables opening?<br \/>\n\tIn general make some small talk and let him know that they are missing an opportunity of having you and others play.<br \/>\n\tAlso let him know that you are going to get in your car and go home without placing a single bet.<br \/>\n\tBe nice about it but get your point across .<\/p>\n<p>\tMay the dice be with you     T-Burg<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on November 18, 2012, 1:09 am<\/p>\n<div>No, where I play they increased the tables from 3 to 5. Past Friday night they were all open.<br \/>\n\tBTW, comparison to blackjack and craps is not valid. Much more money is lost at craps than at blackjack. The way people cover all the numbers as soon as a point is established, then get hit with point-seven is astounding.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A casino in Illinois that opened with 8 tables in the 90&#8217;s had only 5 in the early 2000&#8217;s, just recently had only 3 open earlier this year and as of 2 months ago is now down to 2. 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