{"id":1487,"date":"2012-09-27T05:44:54","date_gmt":"2012-09-27T05:44:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/09\/27\/chicago-refresher-2012\/"},"modified":"2012-09-27T05:44:54","modified_gmt":"2012-09-27T05:44:54","slug":"chicago-refresher-2012","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/09\/27\/chicago-refresher-2012\/","title":{"rendered":"Chicago Refresher 2012"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nI wanted to share the benefits from the refresher this past weekend.<\/p>\n<p>\tLet me say first that I took the primer course in 2008.  I had some good success, with a few rolls in the 40&#8217;s and many rolls in the 30&#8217;s in the casinos.  With over 13,000 rolls, my smartcraps srr is over 9, and of course lower in live play.  I knew my results were good but I needed to improve the actual shot.<\/p>\n<p>\tSunday night after the class, I ate dinner, watched some football with my wife, and finally made it down into the basement about 9:30.  I set up my curtain rod and laid it across the top of the table (4&quot; above the top of the table).  It seemed whatever I was doing wrong, when Dom had put the stick up over the table and made me throw higher and use more energy, my dice flight and results improved.  I had an improved rotation and more hardways when I used the higher arc and more energy.<\/p>\n<p>\tStickman and Frank really pushed the rhythm and trying to keep the delivery smooth (along with Dom, Nick and Skinny) but I remember Stickman showing me many times to swing my arm back and forth without throwing the dice, and I did that many times inbetween shots (that will be a good new practice drill).  I also did let the arm hang more naturally and did not reach out as much thanks to Frank&#8217;s advice.<\/p>\n<p>\tI worked on using more energy as Dom instructed and tried to incorporate the practice pendulum swing that Stickman and Frank instructed.  I felt the pendulum swing I was shown this weekend was much longer and had a fuller follow through than the way I was throwing.  The way they had me simulate that swing over and over during the class helped me bring that home and practice that swing (without throwing the dice).<br \/>\n\tIt really started to help me ingrain some new muscle memory.<\/p>\n<p>\tMy rolls in the basement were 18, 15, 24, 32 and 44!  I won quite a few chips, too, especially on the last roll!<\/p>\n<p>\tI don&#8217;t expect these results all of the time, but it sure was nice not to have to totally reinvent the swing.<\/p>\n<p>\tNow I won&#8217;t say the dice were perfect every time, but when I concentrated on releasing down the line right over the Big 6 and Big 8, they were spinning better.  When my delivery path did not stay straight down the line and faded towards the middle of the table, it also contributed towards the dice not spinning together because my hand and arm were not finishing straight down the path.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe dice are flying much higher than I am used to (4&quot; or more above the table top) but they are coming in high and staying near the back wall after hitting the wall.  <\/p>\n<p>\tI also received another great tip from Dom-to improve my rhythm I stared down at the surface straight below my eyes to concentrate on the path and keep my eyes away from the target.  This drill made me concentrate on the arm swing and not what the dice were doing.  I have since practiced alternating throwing with my eyes closed and throwing with my eyes open, with very good results.<\/p>\n<p>\tSo here&#8217; s the key learning points for my throw:<\/p>\n<p>\tUse more energy-reach to the wall and make the dice hit the wall.<\/p>\n<p>\tBigger backswing and follow-through to simulate a smooth pendulum swing.<\/p>\n<p>\tArm hangs closer to the body (more below the eyes) arm swings along pass and don&#8217;t pass line.<\/p>\n<p>\tThank You to the Five Horsemen.  Good to meet the primers and refreshers.  <\/p>\n<p>\tGood rolling to everyone!<\/p>\n<p>\tTP<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Stickman on September 27, 2012, 7:05 am<\/p>\n<div>TP,<\/p>\n<p>\tIt was a pleasure seeing and working with you in Chicago. I am very pleased you are seeing results from the changes to your throw.  You have a very nice shot and I look forward to hearing of many long rolls in your future.<\/p>\n<p>\tJerry<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on September 27, 2012, 8:49 am<\/p>\n<div>The reports on Chicago are terrific. It is good to see the kind of training GTC gives.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> NickatNight on September 27, 2012, 11:43 am<\/p>\n<div>TP, The refresher coarse is exactly as you stated that you were looking for. Everyone at the refesher class just needed that little bit of adjustment and slight change to better their rolls.<\/p>\n<p>\tI knew that the 2nd day would reap  the benifits of improved throws.<\/p>\n<p>\tHope to read about yours and the other refesher and primers successful time at the tables.<\/p>\n<p>\tNick@Night<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> SevenTimesSeven on September 27, 2012, 4:47 pm<\/p>\n<div>TP!,<\/p>\n<p>\t&quot;I set up my curtain rod and laid it across the top of the table (4&quot; above the top of the table). ..&quot;<\/p>\n<p>\tDid you maean four inches or four feet?<\/p>\n<p>\t7&#215;7<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> TP1 on September 28, 2012, 12:32 am<\/p>\n<div>7&#215;7<\/p>\n<p>\tThe distance from the felt to the top of the chip rail=12 inches<\/p>\n<p>\tI have a small box on each chip rail that adds 4 inches above the top of the chip rail.<br \/>\n\tThen I set the curtain rod on top of the boxes.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe total is 16 inches from the felt.<\/p>\n<p>\tRecently, I am trying to always stay slightly above the curtain rod.  Sometimes the dice may travel higher.  If they travel too high, then they might not hit the back wall.  So currently 16 &#8211; 18 inches above the surface is working well for me.<\/p>\n<p>\tTP<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I wanted to share the benefits from the refresher this past weekend. Let me say first that I took the primer course in 2008. I had some good success, with a few rolls in the 40&#8217;s and many rolls in&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":40,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1487","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1487","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/40"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1487"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1487\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1487"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1487"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1487"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}