{"id":1454,"date":"2012-09-22T22:56:27","date_gmt":"2012-09-22T22:56:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/09\/22\/great-on-axis\/"},"modified":"2012-09-22T22:56:27","modified_gmt":"2012-09-22T22:56:27","slug":"great-on-axis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/09\/22\/great-on-axis\/","title":{"rendered":"Great on axis"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nLois and I both took the dice 5 times today. Her on axis percentage was 82% and mine was 83%. Now before anyone gets all excited and wants to know how many hard ways we hit, we didn&#8217;t. That is because neither of us uses the hard ways set. We both get too many double pitch 7&#8217;s to suit us.<\/p>\n<p>\tNow the bad part of the report. We only made a very small profit because I bet on the randies and lost. Lois has been telling me lately that I am squandering money and today I am convinced. In the future I will be 5 counting more (even on fellow GTCer&#8217;s) and betting higher amounts on ourselves.<\/p>\n<p>\tHeaven knows why I have gotten away from the basic betting philosophy of GTC but I did. <\/p>\n<p>\tI hope some of the newer players here will see the error in my most recent betting and use the basic play given to them in class. I know I used to play that way and 5 count and only bet come bets on randies but somehow I got myself side tracked. <br \/>\n\tClark<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on September 23, 2012, 12:41 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>Clark said: Now the bad part of the report. We only made a very small profit because I bet on the randies and lost.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\tI presume that on the <u>&#8216;randies&#8217;<\/u> you are a right better.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Scratch a consistent winner, at your friendly private game and it is 97 to 3 that he&#8217;s not a right bettor.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tThe consistent right bettor, or chump, must lose in the long run <u>because the odds are stacked against him<\/u>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\tThose are not my words but the words that <strong>I first read in 1946<\/strong>. I won&#8217;t mention the author as it seems to rankle folks on this message board. Sorry, but it was correct in 1946 and is correct today in a Random game.<\/p>\n<p>\tBefore dice control came into my life, in private games, I would never touch the dice and would bet against the dice. after the point was set. Even with true odds you have the advantage of frequency. Without true odds it&#8217;s a cake walk.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on September 23, 2012, 2:03 am<\/p>\n<div>That is great on axis control!<\/p>\n<p>\tHow do you tell the off axis shoots with the 1 the 2 the 3 the 4 the 5 the 6 all being primary number in both the 2v and the 3v.<\/p>\n<p>\t What did the dice have an 8 on them?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dogleg on September 23, 2012, 2:44 am<\/p>\n<div>CIII<br \/>\n\tDosn&#8217;t the house have the edge on the don&#8217;t side also?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on September 23, 2012, 2:59 am<\/p>\n<div>Yes they do it is slightly smaller than the do<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> ACPA on September 23, 2012, 3:05 am<\/p>\n<div>Both to do and don&#8217;t have a HA on them.  The HA are aost the same depending on how you comsider the time a 12 is rolled on the come out.<\/p>\n<p>\tNoah<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on September 23, 2012, 3:32 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>Dogleg  asked: Doesn&#8217;t the house have the edge on the don&#8217;t side also?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\tYes, the House has an edge on the Don&#8217;t side.<br \/>\n\tYou have to be cautious in reading my reply. We are talking about betting on &#8216;randies&#8217; and there is no way to beat the <strong>House<\/strong>(casino game), over time, on Random Rolls. They have the Odds in their favor!!!<\/p>\n<p>\tMy statement was also related to a <u>Private Game<\/u>. The quote was from a <u>&#8216;private friendly game&#8217;<\/u>. <\/p>\n<p>\tThe vocabulary of Craps is loaded with words and phrases that can easily be misunderstood.<br \/>\n\t[list=1]<strong>It is odd that there are so many different Odds in a Craps game language.<\/strong> [*]True Odds, [\/*][*]Correct Odds [\/*][*]Payout Odds[\/*][\/list]<br \/>\n\tThese also get mixed up with Probability and possibility.<\/p>\n<p>\tHope I haven&#8217;t misled you.<\/p>\n<p>\tMany time I have to parse my own answers to be sure I stated what I wanted to say.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe House does not allow us to make side bets at their table. In a Private Game you can make side bets after the Comeout Roll.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dogleg on September 23, 2012, 2:35 pm<\/p>\n<div>O K Thanks.  I&#8217;ve played in more private games than in a casino but it was usually me and someone else throwing against a wall from about 3 feet.  I bet on me and he bet on himself.  So when he was rolling I guess I was betting the don&#8217;t.  They both seem like such different games I never compared them.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dragboatracer on September 23, 2012, 3:42 pm<\/p>\n<div>It can be tempting to bet on other shooters.  Sounds like your influence is working on the dice.  Great rolling.  Looking forward to shooting together in a few.<\/p>\n<p>\tDBR<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lois and I both took the dice 5 times today. Her on axis percentage was 82% and mine was 83%. Now before anyone gets all excited and wants to know how many hard ways we hit, we didn&#8217;t. 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