brothelman asked: Okay now that you do not lose on the 2 3 12 on the come out rolls what does that change the pass line H\/A to?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
\tIt was interesting to Google Crapless layout<\/u> to see what images were available and what information was out there.<\/p>\n
\tMost of the information was biased and incomplete. <\/p>\n
\tThe only two that had good information were Stickman and Heavy.<\/p>\n
\tbrothelman, the Passline and Come bets do not lose on the 2, 3, and 12.<\/p>\n
\tThe 11 does not win on the Passline or Come.<\/p>\n
\tYou give up the eleven sure winners for three new point numbers.<\/p>\n
\tThe outcome of these changes are that the House Advantage for the Passsline and the Come become 5.38%<\/span> instead of 1.41%<\/span>. Good for the casino, but bad for the players.<\/p>\n\tYou won’t have any Don’t players at the table(there isn’t a Don’t Pass or Don’t Come on the board) and the Place Bet payouts on the 2,3,11,and 12 are not good. Don’t Players hate the table<\/strong>, they are left out and have one less table to play on.<\/p>\n\tThe Place Bets pay and play the same as a regular table.<\/p>\n
\tIdeally one should play a minimum amount on the Passline and Place the 6 & 8. If the 2, 3, 11, or 12 become your Point it is like getting a Free Buy bet. The Odds pay 3 to 1 on the 3 or 11 and 6 to 1 on the 2 and 12.<\/p>\n
\tBuy bet on the extreme outside numbers(2, 3, 11 and 12) pay very well for Buy Bets. See my spreadsheet in the Buy Bet better than Place Bet? thread.<\/strong> For a $1 vig(commission) you can lower the House advantage to 0.37% with a $39 Buy Bet on a table that charges the commission on a win only. Granted those tables and casinos are hard to find. <\/p>\n\tA good dice controller on a pay the vig on a win<\/u> can have a very good game. Just set for and toss the 2, 3, 11, and 12. Those numbers go along with the 6 & 8 with the In-line-sixes dice set.<\/p>\n\n\nDice Pyramid<\/span>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n\n| Here are the 16 things that can occur on an In-Line Sixes dice toss.[\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | <\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | 6:1<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | 5:2<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | 1:2<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | 5:1<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 2:5<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 6:2<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/p>\n | 5:6<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds] <\/p>\n | 1:1<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 1:2[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | 2:2[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | 1:5[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | 1:6<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 2:6[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | 5:5[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | 5:6[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n | 6:6<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| [\/tds] <\/p>\n | 2<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 3<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 4<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 5<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 6<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 7<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 8<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 9<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 10<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 11<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | 12<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n | [\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| With Double Pitches[\/tds]<\/tr>\n | \n| 3-4, 3-4 Axis<\/span>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n [\/tables] [clear][\/clear]<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 30, 2012, 5:57 am<\/p>\nI have played this game whenever it is availber to me and i do use the set you recomend,<\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 30, 2012, 2:32 pm<\/p>\nThe use of Buying the extreme outside numbers( 2,3,11 and 12) may attracts players to play Crapless Craps. The game has a greater over all house edge than craps<\/u>. The use of Buy Bets enables players to increase their odds(3 to 1<\/strong> on the 3 and 11 plus 6 to 1<\/strong> on the 2 and 12)and presents an opportunities to increase their wins and 401G.<\/p>\n\tMinimize the Passline Bet and the Come Bet while playing Crapless Craps. Smile at the Don’t bettors who avoid the table. \ud83d\ude09 <\/p>\n \tThe game is patented and that may be why some casinos avoid the game.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 30, 2012, 5:06 pm<\/p>\nWhy does the house edge go down with odds in this game but not in the regualar game i am confussed?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on August 30, 2012, 5:26 pm<\/p>\n\n "brothelman" wrote:<\/strong> Why does the house edge go down with odds in this game but not in the regualar game i am confussed?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\tThe house edge does<\/span><\/u><\/strong> go down with odds in the regular game.<\/p>\n\tHA with odds<\/p>\n \t0X = 1.41%<\/p>\n \t1X = 0.848%<\/p>\n \t2X = 0.606%<\/p>\n \t3-4-5X = 0.374%<\/p>\n \t5X = 0.326%<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> AlamoTx on August 30, 2012, 6:14 pm<\/p>\nDoes the house let you take odds on the craps numbers? If so, how much odds do they customarily allow, and what does the posting of odds do to those numbers re the house edge?<\/p>\n \tCould you play your regular game and just ignore the 2, 3, 11 and 12 and, if you roll them, just leave them out there, but try to establish your two or three box numbers like you usually do? Normally, if you had been trying to establish and hit box numbers and had rolled any crap number except the 11 in the process, you normally would have lost the money anyway and would have kept trying instead to establish your box numbers. In other words, you don’t lose your passline or come bet on those numbers, so why don’t you just leave ’em out there while you roll as usual, trying to establish 4,5,6,8,9,10? If you hit one of the craps numbers that was left out there, so much the better.<\/p>\n \tEducate me.<\/p>\n \tAlamo<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 30, 2012, 7:00 pm<\/p>\n\n Does the house let you take odds on the craps numbers?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \tYes, you can take Odds on the Crap number which have become a point. The 2 and 12 pay 6 to 1<\/strong>, the 3 and 11 pay 3 to 1<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\tIf you roll a craps number on the Comeout roll it is like getting a free Buy Bet!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> ACPA on August 30, 2012, 7:13 pm<\/p>\nAlamo, <\/p>\n \tyou could do what you suggest, but thej house advantage on your come beats are three times what they normally are on a regular table.<\/p>\n \tI don’t recommend what you suggested for that reason.<\/p>\n \tNoah<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 30, 2012, 7:43 pm<\/p>\n\n Could you play your regular game and just ignore the 2, 3, 11 and 12 and, if you roll them, just leave them out there, but try to establish your two or three box numbers like you usually do? Normally, if you had been trying to establish and hit box numbers and had rolled any crap number except the 11 in the process, you normally would have lost the money anyway and would have kept trying instead to establish your box numbers. In other words, you don’t lose your passline or come bet on those numbers, so why don’t you just leave ’em out there while you roll as usual, trying to establish 4,5,6,8,9,10? If you hit one of the craps numbers that was left out there, so much the better<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\tYes, you can play Crapless Craps just like regular craps, but you most remember that the Passline Bet and the Come Bet(on a Random Roll, by the Math) are at 5.38%<\/strong><\/span> House Advantage jnstead of the 1.41%<\/strong><\/span> for the regular game.<\/p>\n\tIt is difficult for players and even dealers to come to grips with the fact that not having an immediate win on the 11 cannot be offset by not losing your line bet on the Craps numbers. <\/p>\n \tPlace payout on the 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10 are the same as in the regular game. Payouts differ at different casinos on the 2 and 12, the 3 and 11. I would appreciate information as to the Place Bet payouts on these numbers from your casinos.<\/p>\n \tThe other Place bets can be handled like the regular game with 6 and 8 being the best to bet.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Pointman on August 30, 2012, 7:51 pm<\/p>\nSo the question would be, Can I still have the right to shoot the dice without a passline bet? Lets just say a 6\/8 bet working on the comeout instead of a passline.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 30, 2012, 8:06 pm<\/p>\nI have never seen a casino that will allow you to shoot the dice without a line bet(be it Passline or Don’t Pass). A line bet is a requirement to shoot the dice.<\/p>\n \tThe table minimum tells you how little you can bet on the line.<\/p>\n \tThe Doe’y Don’t with a pass and don’t pass will work , but is shown to have no mathematical advantage.<\/p>\n \tJust bet minimum on the Passline. I would personally avoid the Come on a Crapless table.<\/p>\n \tIf you are an ardent Come Bet player save that for a regular table.<\/p>\n \tCrapless is a different game, so bet differently to gain an advantage.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 30, 2012, 8:31 pm<\/p>\nYou can, as a non-shooter play the game.<\/p>\n \tYou would then be looking for a shooter that hit the numbers that you were betting, be it Place Bets, Come Bets, or Buy Bets.<\/p>\n \tIt is very interesting to watch how various players respond to this game.<\/p>\n \t[list=circle]I have seen players<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\t[*]Play just as they do at the regular table.[\/*]
\n\t[*]Play the inside numbers.[\/*]
\n\t[*]Play outside numbers.[\/*]
\n\t[*]Play across(all ten numbers).[\/*]
\n\t[*]Come Bet as normal.[\/*]
\n\t[*]Buy the extreme outside numbers for $20 to $39 each[\/*]
\n\t[*]Buy the extreme outside numbers for hundreds of dollars..[\/*]
\n\t[*]Buy the extreme outside numbers and play the Field at the same time.[\/*]
\n\t[*]The list goes on…[\/*][\/list]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Agame on August 30, 2012, 8:38 pm<\/p>\nCIII,<\/p>\n \tIn Tunica, I saw a player place $400 across on every number. No passline or any other bets. He was up and down and his winnings and losses would oscillate steeply and it was fun to watch. Dealers were very deferential to him, even bowing to him when they took chips from him to place his bets.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 30, 2012, 8:48 pm<\/p>\nThe startled looks on a new players face, when they are not paid when they toss an 11 on the Comeout roll, is priceless.<\/p>\n \t It is equally as shocking for the new player to see his Come Bet 11 moved up to a number on a comeout roll.<\/p>\n \tNew players automatically reach for a chip to make a new bet when they toss a 2, 3, 11, or 12 on the comeout roll.<\/p>\n \tDealer that deal both tables also get confused and call a comeout 3 a "Craps three"<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\tDealers, also, are apt to put your 6 and 8 Place bets on the wrong numbers as they are used to a certain position for the box number from dealing on the regular tables. <\/p>\n \tA lot of ribbing goes on!!!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 30, 2012, 8:57 pm<\/p>\n\n Agame said: In Tunica, I saw a player place $400 across on every number.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \tHe sounds like a player we call $30,000 barney<\/span><\/u> because he stacks Black and Purple chips(Barneys<\/span>) on every number ten deep.<\/p>\n\tYes, he is given preferential treatment.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 31, 2012, 12:11 am<\/p>\nWhy would you want to play in a game and avoid the best part of it?<\/p>\n \tIt has been pointed out if you have the shot and abilty to controll the dice, using the right set this game is very good and the house edge is low.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on September 1, 2012, 1:05 pm<\/p>\nRight click on image and choose View Image<\/u> to see full picture<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\t![\"\"](\"http:\/\/i49.tinypic.com\/2r299gx.jpg\") <\/div>\n<\/div>\n \n Posted by:<\/strong> GameDay on July 19, 2013, 2:16 am<\/p>\nTHE previous post asks about crapless craps. Here is a previous post that addresses many issues.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" buying these numbers can minimize the tax on your wins by the casino. Tunica allows buying the 3\/11 for $10 with a $1 vig. This amounts to a 2.5% house edge. However if you buy the 3\/11 for $25 as…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":68,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1297","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1297","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/68"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1297"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1297\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1297"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1297"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1297"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
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