{"id":1268,"date":"2012-08-25T20:09:29","date_gmt":"2012-08-25T20:09:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/25\/buy-bet-better-than-place-bet\/"},"modified":"2012-08-25T20:09:29","modified_gmt":"2012-08-25T20:09:29","slug":"buy-bet-better-than-place-bet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/25\/buy-bet-better-than-place-bet\/","title":{"rendered":"Buy Bet better than Place Bet?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nThe rich get richer while the poor have children!<\/p>\n<p>\tI made changes in my simple Place Bet spreadsheet to allow Buy Bets.<\/p>\n<p>\tRight click on image and choose View Image to see entire sheet.<br \/>\n\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i50.tinypic.com\/2643xg0.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 25, 2012, 8:19 pm<\/p>\n<div>Compare the loss on a random toss between the Place bet of $5 and the Buy Bet of $20 0o the 4 &amp; 10<\/p>\n<p>\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i47.tinypic.com\/i1jzvr.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>\tA little help&#8230;I am adding a sheet that I believe is also correct for a pay up front vs pay on the win. . I believe that I failed to charge the payout for the commission on the buy up front. Although they Pay you $40 they keep your $1 commission , therefore the payout is actually only worth $39<br \/>\n\t <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i45.tinypic.com\/dfftcm.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 25, 2012, 8:35 pm<\/p>\n<div>$20 Buy Bet on the 4 and 10 with only 5 sevens.<br \/>\n\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i48.tinypic.com\/fu3zw0.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 25, 2012, 9:14 pm<\/p>\n<div>$5 Place bet with 5 sevens.<\/p>\n<p>\t<strong>Is a buy bet better than a Place bet?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tRemember to see the whole picture right click the image and choose <u>View image<\/u><\/p>\n<p>\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i46.tinypic.com\/5179fb.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 27, 2012, 5:05 pm<\/p>\n<div>&#8216;Good&quot; Buy Bets can also be made on the extreme outside numbers on a Crapless table:<\/p>\n<p>\tSome casinos take the &#8216;Vig&quot;(commission) <u>on the win<\/u> only, while more casinos take the commission up front.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>on the win<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i45.tinypic.com\/2cse6xe.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 27, 2012, 5:40 pm<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>up front<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\tRight click the image  and select <u>View Image<\/u> to see the full picture(click on the picture to enlarge it).<\/p>\n<p>\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i49.tinypic.com\/52yov7.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 28, 2012, 2:34 am<\/p>\n<div>[list=disc]<strong>I can well imagine what many of you are thinking concerning these posts on the Place Bets and the Buy bets<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\t[*]Why is CIII going to all of that work to find out things that are already known![\/*]<br \/>\n\t[*]You can go to any Craps book and garner the information.[\/*]<br \/>\n\t[*]You can go to an expert like The Wizard of Odds and gather the information.[\/*][\/list]<br \/>\n\t<br \/>\n\tLet me tell you, it has been more than worth it to me. I have learned more and better understand the math and the variables involved in properly addressing the bets!<\/p>\n<p>\tNo, I don&#8217;t believe that the experts are completely correct. <\/p>\n<p>\tThere are three variables in analyzing the Buy Bets. Almost no one addresses all three at the same time. Most use the math formulas without  considering using all three variables at once.<\/p>\n<p>\t[list=square]<strong>The variables are:<\/strong><br \/>\n\t[*]Payout <u>up front<\/u> or <u>on the win<\/u>[\/*]<br \/>\n\t[*]Amount of the bet[\/*]<br \/>\n\t[*]Number of sevens out[\/*]<br \/>\n\t[*]I would add dice set(numbers tossed)[\/*][\/list]<br \/>\n\t<br \/>\n\tI thoroughly enjoy the Wizards math on Craps, but also realize that he is prejudiced against the Craplesss Craps.<\/p>\n<p>\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wizardofodds.com\/games\/craps\/appendix\/5\/#craplesscraps\">http:\/\/wizardofodds.com\/games\/craps\/appendix\/5\/#craplesscraps<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 29, 2012, 8:32 pm<\/p>\n<div><strong>I always wanted a complete listing of the Player Advantage on Place and Buy bets for regular craps tables and Crapless tables so I made my own.<\/strong><br \/>\n\tThis is page 1.<br \/>\n\tFeel free to notify me of any discrepancies.<\/p>\n<p>\tRight click on the image and choose View Image for the full picture. Click picture to enlarge.<br \/>\n\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i48.tinypic.com\/2mhcg.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 29, 2012, 8:42 pm<\/p>\n<div><strong>This is the rest of the Crapless Buy Bets sheet.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tIf you can find a crapless table that has the <u>Buy on the win<\/u> there are some nice payouts for a horn type shooter.<\/p>\n<p>\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i48.tinypic.com\/fei253.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The rich get richer while the poor have children! I made changes in my simple Place Bet spreadsheet to allow Buy Bets. Right click on image and choose View Image to see entire sheet. 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