{"id":1242,"date":"2012-08-23T10:40:07","date_gmt":"2012-08-23T10:40:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/23\/dice-control-martingale\/"},"modified":"2012-08-23T10:40:07","modified_gmt":"2012-08-23T10:40:07","slug":"dice-control-martingale","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/23\/dice-control-martingale\/","title":{"rendered":"Dice Control Martingale"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nFor random players a Martingale is a dangerous way to bet. Doubling and doubling thinking that you finally must win can devastate a player when he reaches the table limit in seven or eight decisions.<\/p>\n<p>\tBut what about a controlled shooter? Say he played the field and after each loss double his bet? Would a controlled shooter be able to beat the casino by using such a Martingale?<\/p>\n<p>\tJust wondering.<\/p>\n<p>\tHave any of you played this way?<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on August 23, 2012, 1:49 pm<\/p>\n<div>Haven&#8217;t played a Martingale with a field bet.  <\/p>\n<p>\tJust a thought&#8212;why vary from the GTC philosoply of Pass Line with odd, Come Bet with odds, and place the 6 and 8 which have a house vig of less than 1%?  The field bet has a much higher house big.   <\/p>\n<p>\tDoc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Stephen C on August 23, 2012, 1:51 pm<\/p>\n<div>Using your proposition with a $5 Pass line bet, no odds, I would be busted after 6 attempts with the dice.  Were you to win at the $40 dollar level you would make a profit, yes your a Winner of $5 dollars. Hell it doesn&#8217;t matter where the win comes, you only get that same lousey $5 bucks. Lose $315 total or win keeping your $160 that&#8217;s on the table and get paid an addittional $160. Take that $320, make yourself &quot;Whole&quot; and walk away with $5 bucks. Hardly worth the effort wouldn&#8217;t you say. <\/p>\n<p>\tFlat bet, no odds <br \/>\n\t5, 10 (15), 20 (35), 40 (75), 80 (155), 160 (315)<\/p>\n<p>\tI cringe to think about the complications brought to this scenario were we to add odds or Place\/Come bets. However, I believe the Return on Investment regardless of where the win occurs would not justify the risk of loss.<\/p>\n<p>\tNo for an Advantage Player the Martingale is not a proper method of play. Actually, it&#8217;s not ever a good way to play\/bet for anyone.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 23, 2012, 1:59 pm<\/p>\n<div>With a Martingale you start betting low(because of the eventual table limit). $5, $10, $20, $40, $80, $160, $320, $640, $1280&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\tIf you win you get back all of your losses and <strong>you win only $5 <\/strong>while you have exposed yourself to large losses!<\/p>\n<p>\tMost players can&#8217;t start betting $25, $50, $100, $200, $400, $800, $1600, $3200&#8230; <strong>to win only $25<\/strong>.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 23, 2012, 2:12 pm<\/p>\n<div>[list=disc]Next try a <strong>Fibonacci numbers sequence<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<p>\tThe <u>Fibonacci numbers<\/u> are the numbers in the following integer sequence:<\/p>\n<p>\t0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144,&#8230;[\/list]<br \/>\n\tIt isn&#8217;t much better, but you make a bigger profit when you eventually hit.<\/p>\n<p>\t==========================================================<\/p>\n<p>\tMathematics :<br \/>\n\tThe unending sequence 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, \u2026 where each term is defined as the sum of its two predecessors.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> fscobe on August 23, 2012, 3:30 pm<\/p>\n<div>A dice control Martingale on the Pass Line would be somewhat unusual. Odds are <em>usually<\/em> not specified in the minimum to maximum bets posted on the table. If you have a 10X odds game with a maximum bet of $1,000 you can put $1,000 on the Pass Line and $10,000 in odds. <\/p>\n<p>\tWith that let us say the table is $10 with a maximum of $1,000 and 10X odds. So your first bet is $5 and you lose. The next bet would also be $5. If it won, you are even. <\/p>\n<p>\tNow what if that second bet goes to a number? You take $5 or $6 (on the 5 or 9) in odds. A win brings you back  to even on the Pass Line but also gives you a win on the odds. Now you are ahead. If you lose, you have lost the $5 and the odds and you have to wait for your next turn with the dice. How would you bet that turn?<\/p>\n<p>\tSo your Martingale would have to consider the odds bet too. This can get complicated but you can see it would take a big, bad sequence for you to lose enough to hit table max &#8212; as long as you are the shooter that is. <\/p>\n<p>\tMaybe someone would like to figure this out so we can see how long it would take to hit the table max of $1,000 on the Pass Line with $10,000 in odds? You start at $5, using odds when the point is established. <\/p>\n<p>\tInteresting proposition.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For random players a Martingale is a dangerous way to bet. Doubling and doubling thinking that you finally must win can devastate a player when he reaches the table limit in seven or eight decisions. 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