\n\tNow i admit i could be bias in looking at our throws. But i think the gap between where we
\n\twere and are is wide, and i would not think it should be that hard to win.. (every black
\n\tand purple chip on the damn table)
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\nYou know the old story which says there is nothing wrong with talking
\n\tto yourself….. there is not even anything wrong with answering yourself,
\n\tbut when you catch your self saying " huh???? well then you are bewildered.<\/p>\n
\tI am all that and more, and before any one here actually thinks i expect an
\n\tanswer to what follows next, i do not. I fully understand i may be as far away
\n\tgetting an answer to this ramblng as Obama is from understanding how to run
\n\ta country…. the gap may well be to wide to bridge.<\/p>\n
\tThe source of my mental indigestion is the controlled throw as it compares to
\n\tnothing.. By this i mean last night the Wisconsin 6 shooters again met on the field
\n\tof battle…. and keeping with complete disclosure…. we won…again<\/p>\n
\tBut on this small table our throws looked very good, when you compared them to
\n\twhere we all started years ago it is signficant . No comparison to a ramdom throw.<\/p>\n
\tWe won…. but not alot…. i am surely not complaining..but when you watch the
\n\ttoss , you would think we could never lose. If you would have improved this much in
\n\tbowling you would go from 120 ave to 220, or golf from 20 handicap to a 4 and so on
\n\tyet we find if we find we barely win.<\/p>\n
\tMaybe for low betters the margin of advantage is so small we should be happy we can win.
\n\tNow i admit i could be bias in looking at our throws. But i think the gap between where we
\n\twere and are is wide, and i would not think it should be that hard to win.. (every black
\n\tand purple chip on the damn table) <\/p>\n
\tgman<\/p>\n
Posted by:<\/strong> AlamoTx on August 21, 2012, 7:08 pm<\/p>\n \tYou won. We all have a way we look at things. Growing up here in south Texas, I learned from my rancher grandfather that "Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered". I look not at my buy in when I get in the game, but at my initial ‘at risk’ investment and figure a fat return from that number. I"ve found that the thing that costs most GTC players the most money is overplaying. Before dice control, my idea was to hang in at a table for hours if need be, in order to catch a wave and make some money. That is a long term losing strategy, but I still see GTC players at the tables for a very long time sometimes. I’ve learned to discipline myself and use what I call the ‘Scoblete rule’ and quit if 3 turns with the dice do not show some results. That means a total of three tries with the dice by me or any of my team members. If it is three losing turns, I’m gone. Period. If its equivocal after 3 turns, I might dip a couple of more times. But, what does a pig do vs a hog, if there’s a win.<\/p>\n \tLet’s say I’m a $10 player and I get up on 2 numbers initially…the 6 and the 8 at $60 each. That is often how I start–with two numbers…not always the 6 and 8 (I’m not a place bettor by strategy)..but with two numbers the most you can have at risk for a given hand is $120. In my mind, I call that my ‘at risk’ investment for the entire 3 tries at the session. This is a very conservative, so no need to get a debate started on strategy. The all out 3# approach of the Big Skinny is just too adrenalistic for my glands!<\/p>\n \tTo make a long story short, let’s say I lose a little on the first try and on the second try ( if we hit a number with two $60 bets and then 7 out, we’ve still lost only around $50), but on the third go around I or a team member has a streak where I\/he\/she hits 5 numbers. Since I’ve already lost, say, $150 or thereabouts on unsuccessful tries, I end up with a net profit of $200…(this is oversimplified, but 5 hits x $70\/hit = $350 less $150 losses made up in the streak=$200 more than I started with)<\/p>\n \t$200 \/ $120 at risk = just under a 60% return on investment or 1.666 times your initial investment. I’d take that return all day long as an investor on a real estate deal, and in a disciplined, hit and run dice game the return happens in less than an hour in all likelihood. Now…hog strategy would be to stay there and keep playing after that and see what happens…<\/p>\n \tAnd…a good thing to remember when posting is that not everyone shares your political views, which I would keep to a minimum on a forum dedicated to gaming. I’d say Bin Laden and Khadafi both probably thought Obama couldn’t run the country either.<\/p>\n \tAlamo<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 21, 2012, 7:14 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> fscobe on August 21, 2012, 7:22 pm<\/p>\n \tYou made a bowling analogy so I will follow that one with this: What if you started your scoring in bowling in the minus category – say you started at minus 150? Now you improve quite a bit. You’d be happy to be at 50. That is some significant improvement.<\/p>\n \tWith controlled shooting everyone is starting in the minus category. Think of what your average losses were when you were a random player? Now you win. The continuum between the losing player you were and the winning player you are now is probably immense. I don’t actually expect you to know what your averages were over the years when you were a random roller but you get the picture.<\/p>\n \tYour increase because of skill is probably much bigger than you give yourself credit for. Be happy.<\/p>\n \tNow…what bets do you make?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Pointman on August 21, 2012, 7:23 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on August 22, 2012, 3:55 am<\/p>\n \t Gman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 22, 2012, 10:15 am<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> the gman on August 22, 2012, 10:24 pm<\/p>\n \n\ti am always honest……………….<\/p>\n \tAnd as far as my bets are concerned, being honest again i will tell you.<\/p>\n \tIf i am on a table that is not as comfortable for me i start with a $6 6 & 8 and a pass line \tI take until i am ahead and then i will press the 6 & 8 from from there on depending on \tMost often i use the five count on others or i use a modified dewey donts with single \tSmart craps on my table shows i have a very good advantage, and on the smaller table \tNow i am assuming as your read my post you understood when i asked why i cant get \tAs far as my comment about the difference between our rolls now and when we started \tSo now you have….. my honest answer<\/p>\n \tgman<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" You know the old story which says there is nothing wrong with talking to yourself….. there is not even anything wrong with answering yourself, but when you catch your self saying " huh???? well then you are bewildered. I am…<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":15,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1225","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1225","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/15"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1225"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1225\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1225"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1225"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1225"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}What are you baffled about?<\/p>\n\nBe honest now. What bets are you making? Also what does Smart Craps say about the type of edge you have?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nAside from what your bets are, here is something most players never think of.<\/p>\n\nTime for Math Class… It’s called Variance my friend.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nI did not say i was unhappy i said i was baffled.
\n\tAnd a win is always better than a loss.<\/p>\n\nYou know that bowling point Frank made is a great one. With dice control you are taking a gambler who is probably in a lifetime hole, digging him out and putting him on solid ground or maybe a small hill!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nwell this is for Bretboy<\/p>\n
\n\tbet with double odds if the point number is not a 6 or 8.<\/p>\n
\n\tthe table i push\/pull or go up 1 unit.
\n\tIf i feel confortable i will use a come bet to help me spread out.<\/p>\n
\n\tunit come bet on 4 & 5th roll with single odds if they pass 5.<\/p>\n
\n\twe play on i have an srr over 10…….<\/p>\n
\n\tall the black and purple chips i was being ironical…. <\/p>\n
\n\ti was dead serious…. Other than my work ,i have never done anything on a daily basis
\n\tfor 3 straight years…. i am amazed at that, but i still like it, and yes i thought i would
\n\tbe more consistant than i am…… you may note in that last sentence that i said I
\n\tthought i would be more consistant….. i did not mention GTC, or the classes or dice
\n\tcontrol…. i said me…<\/p>\n