{"id":1209,"date":"2012-08-19T07:28:36","date_gmt":"2012-08-19T07:28:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/19\/house-advantage-on-all-all-tall-and-small\/"},"modified":"2012-08-19T07:28:36","modified_gmt":"2012-08-19T07:28:36","slug":"house-advantage-on-all-all-tall-and-small","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/19\/house-advantage-on-all-all-tall-and-small\/","title":{"rendered":"House advantage on all all tall and small"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nthere are three bets hear they work like so you must toss all the small ones 2-6 before a seven comes it pays 35 to one then there is the tall you must toss 8 threw 12 without tossing any sevens it too pays 35 to one then there is the all it pays 176 to one.<\/p>\n<p>\twhat is the house edge on these bets?<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 19, 2012, 10:34 am<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Small, Tall Bet<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tSam&#8217;s Town in both Las Vegas and Shreveport offer these bet. The Small bet wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 before rolling a seven. The Tall bet wins if the shooter rolls an 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 before rolling a seven. A win pays 34 to 1, or 35 for 1. The odds on both bets are the same as follows. The lower right cell shows a house edge of <span style=\"color: #FF0000\">7.76%<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p>\t[pre]<strong>Small, Tall Bets<\/strong><br \/>\n\tEvent \tPays\tProbability\tReturn<br \/>\n\tWin \t 34 \t0.026354 \t 0.896033<br \/>\n\tLoss \t -1 \t0.973646 \t-0.973646<br \/>\n\tTotal     1 \t                <strong>-0.077614<\/strong>[\/pre]\n\t<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>All Bet<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tSam&#8217;s Town in both Las Vegas and Shreveport offer this bet. The All bet wins if the shooter rolls a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 before rolling a seven. A win pays 174 to 1, or 175 for 1. The odds are as follows. The lower right cell shows a house edge of <span style=\"color: #FF0000\">7.99%<\/span>.<\/p>\n<p>\t[pre]<strong>All Bet<\/strong><br \/>\n\tEvent\t Pays\tProbability\tReturn<br \/>\n\tWin \t 174   \t0.005258 \t0.91484<br \/>\n\tLoss \t  -1 \t0.994742       -0.994742<br \/>\n\tTotal      1 \t              <strong> -0.079903<\/strong>[\/pre]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wizardofodds.com\/games\/craps\/appendix\/5\/#smalltall\">http:\/\/wizardofodds.com\/games\/craps\/appendix\/5\/#smalltall<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 19, 2012, 10:56 am<\/p>\n<div>I have not played this bet nor worked out the math.<\/p>\n<p>\tI have accepted Wizards probability as the math to garner the probability is quite steep.<\/p>\n<p>\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i45.tinypic.com\/155rzf7.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/> <\/p>\n<p>\tNot easy reading, but recommended by The Wizard and others.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 19, 2012, 11:41 am<\/p>\n<div><strong><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">Left click on the image to get a drop down menu, then click <u>View Image<\/span><\/u>:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i50.tinypic.com\/21oal2b.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 20, 2012, 3:28 am<\/p>\n<div>So it is less than the hardways<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 21, 2012, 12:37 am<\/p>\n<div>Just an observation for a Hardway shooter&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>\t<strong>You have to toss a 2 and a 3 to to hit the small bet.<\/p>\n<p>\tYou have to toss a 11 and a 12 to to hit the tall bet.<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on August 21, 2012, 1:11 am<\/p>\n<div>Hmmm I have never bet this bet . But if I did I would try to get those crap numbers on come out rolls rather trying during the roll for point. Hoping that it gets into a long roll .Or do you have to make all these numbers before the point?<br \/>\n\tThis is 3 games right?<br \/>\n\tSo right off the bat you are in the game for 4 games with out betting on any numbers right?<br \/>\n\tThen a come bet or place bets puts you in more games which the casino loves.<br \/>\n\tWe must remember that the casino wins all games when the 7 shows. That is a great advantage.<br \/>\n\tI wonder how many times we have done this in practice?<br \/>\n\tHas anyone keep track of this out there?<br \/>\n\tWho keeps track of this bet at table?<br \/>\n\tWhen do you get paid?<br \/>\n\tCan you tell I am getting a little interested? \ud83d\ude00  \ud83d\ude00 <br \/>\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 21, 2012, 12:59 pm<\/p>\n<div>It seems that there is a lot of discussion on <u>Feature Bets<\/u>(<em>Fire Bet, Sharpshooter Bet, All, Tall and Small bets, Field Bet<\/em>) lately.<\/p>\n<p>\tI&#8217;m not a fan of Feature Bets, but it sure seems as if the Casinos are!<\/p>\n<p>\tThe best dice set(or dice landing without double pitches) for this bet and the Field bet would be:<\/p>\n<table>\n<tr>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">Dice Set or Landing<\/span>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Here are the 16 things that can occur on a Crossed Sixes dice toss.[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"color: #FF0040\"><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:2<\/span>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"> 4:2<\/span>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><span style=\"color: #FF0040\">6:1<\/span><\/span>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:5<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4:5<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">1:1<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">1:2[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:1[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4:1[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">1:5[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><span style=\"color: #FF0040\">1:6<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6:2[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:6[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4:6[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6:5[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6:6<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">2<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">5<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><span style=\"color: #FF0040\">7<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">8<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">9<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">10<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">11<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">12<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>With Double Pitches[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">2-5, 3-4 Axis<\/span>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<p>[\/tables] [clear][\/clear]<\/p>\n<p>\tIf those are the numbers that you are landing, then I guess it would be a good(bad) bet.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 21, 2012, 3:33 pm<\/p>\n<div>I believe in the beggining the best set is the hard way set <br \/>\n\t.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen i am on the dice will both do the same thingie one click right 1\/1 one click left 6\/6 when taking the advanced classwe were taught that this is okay because the dice are both reacting the same and that is what you are trying to do it is a quality shot.<\/p>\n<p>\tNow you have the tuffies out of the way with a little luck and if they do not come so be it you are still hitting primary numbers.<\/p>\n<p>\tall of the feture bets requre luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<\/p>\n<p>\tBy the way your srr needs to be r upwards of 9+ to be attemping these bets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<\/p>\n<p>\tNow if you are that good why not just pound the 6 &amp; 8 and your come bets and make solid money all the time No one big score steady wins the race,<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 21, 2012, 5:14 pm<\/p>\n<div>brothelman,<\/p>\n<p>\tI have repeatedly stated that the only set that I use is the Hardway set!<\/p>\n<p>\tMy charts, graphs and tables in no way go away from GTC teachings.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe chart for this topic is headed <strong>Dice Set or <u>Landing<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tPerhaps I should redo the chart and make it:<\/p>\n<table>\n<tr>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">Dice Landing<\/span>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Dice Toss.[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"color: #FF0040\"><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:2<\/span>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"> 4:2<\/span>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff\">6:1<\/span><\/span>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:5<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4:5<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">1:1<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">1:2[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:1[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4:1[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">1:5[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><span style=\"color: #ffffff\">1:6<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6:2[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3:6[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4:6[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6:5[\/tds]<\/span> <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6:6<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">2<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">3<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">4<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">5<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">6<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\"><span style=\"color: #FF0040\">7<\/span><\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">8<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">9<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">10<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">11<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td><span style=\"font-size: 16px\">12<\/span>[\/tds] <\/p>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>No Double Pitches or off Axis die[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>[\/tds]<\/tr>\n<p>[\/tables] [clear][\/clear]<\/p>\n<p>\t&#8216;<\/p>\n<p>\n\t<strong><br \/>\n\tIn total there are 10 users online :: 8 registered, 1 hidden and 1 guest<\/strong><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 21, 2012, 8:10 pm<\/p>\n<div>All i did was state how i play it.<\/p>\n<p>\tThis is one of those bets that you better be able to tell what your dice are doing to play it, in other wards be a very advanced student and willing to gamble a little.<\/p>\n<p>\tMost advanced students are not willing to gamble at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 21, 2012, 9:15 pm<\/p>\n<div>brothelman, We are probably agreeing more than we are disagreeing. I have not taken the advanced class, but would have asked the instructor for clarification on <u>both dice reacting the same<\/u> when tossing a 1:1 or a 6:6. I would like to believe that statement, but I don&#8217;t. It would make me feel better when I make a two die off axis toss.<\/p>\n<pre class=\"code\">brothelman said: When i am on the dice will both do the same thingie one click right 1\/1 one click left 6\/6 when taking the advanced classwe were taught that this is okay because the dice are both reacting the same and that is what you are trying to do it is a quality shot.<\/pre>\n<p>\tThe 1:6 and 6:1 are also two die off axis tosses and the die are hard wired to have four two die axis numbers together. I can tolerate the 1:1 and th 6:6, but not the 1:6 and 6:1.<br \/>\n\t<u>I do not know exactly what the instructor said<\/u>.<\/p>\n<p>\t[list=1]<strong>It could be:<\/strong><br \/>\n\t[*]The 1:1 and 6:6 <u>can<\/u> be because the dice are both reacting the same.[\/*]<br \/>\n\t[*]The 1:1 and 6:6 <u>may<\/u> be because the dice are both reacting the same.[\/*]<br \/>\n\t[*]The 1:1 and 6:6 <u>are<\/u> because the dice are both reacting the same.[\/*][\/list]<br \/>\n\t<br \/>\n\t<u>I do know that the 1:1 and 6:6 can be tossed and landed with at least three completely different dice sets that are far removed from the Hardway set and landing. Both die are off axis and therefore must be on some other axis!<\/u>.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe reason that I go to great length to study and read the dice is not to be confrontational, but to learn and gain useful knowledge. I posted those chart recently not to use up message board space or to make colorful charts, but to help all of us look at the dice tosses in a more logical and useful way. I know by the <strong>Replies<\/strong> and the number of <strong>Views<\/strong> that they were mostly ignored(One can gain this information on any post that they have made or answered by clicking on <strong>View your posts<\/strong> at the top of this page.<\/p>\n<p>\tIf you look at the chart that I posted on this thread you can see that you can not have a Hardway with that Set or Landing!(2-5, 3-4 axis). Have you ever had a long toss but found that you had not hit one Hardway? I have. Guess what&#8230; That may mean that both die were off axis! Easy to do if the pointer finger and the ring finger are weighing too heavy on the die.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 22, 2012, 1:14 am<\/p>\n<div>I can not rember a roll that got past 15 where i did not throw a coule of hardways.<\/p>\n<p>\tI have had hands that have been twelve to fifteen and made thousands because i tossed 6 to 9 pairs.  <\/p>\n<p>\tWhile palying recently with the contracter and get a grip i tossed a 18 and the contractor goes that was the most profitable 18 i have ever seen.<\/p>\n<p>\tIt is not uncommon for me to throw 2 or 3 1\/1 or 6\/6s in a row using the hardway set, all that means is that both the dice are going down there and hitting the pyramids the same the exact same and going one click to the left or right but the are doing the same thing off the wall, me personally that is what i want the same reaction off the wall by both dice, you can never get hurt when they do the same thing never never never, and when this is happening the dice hit the wall then stop dead on the felt no bouncing around just boom  boom boom, felt wall felt, and that is it.<\/p>\n<p>\n\tWhen you throw the piar of aces or the twelve do they hit the wall and stick or do they move around on the felt some what or is it a bang bang shot?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on August 23, 2012, 4:21 am<\/p>\n<div>Ciii i agree that this bet is better for a randy due to the amount of different numbers you must throw,<\/p>\n<p>\tI mean a controled shooter who is on will not throw more than four or five numbers on any long roll i have ever had as of late i normally pound two or three numbers, with the same combo.<\/p>\n<p>\tLike when i threw the all all i had to change my set several times to produce the 3 4 2 8 11 it was a great roll i threw so many 42s,45s and 55s and several 46s but that was basically it.<\/p>\n<p>\tGtc doesn,t recomend changing your set, i mean to be able to focus on your throw and think about how i must set the dice to change my results goes against all we are taught and is very dificult.<\/p>\n<p>\tThus a random roller has a much better chance at this play because he is all over the place versus a controlled shooter throws limited combanations, and would have to change his set often to get the job done why not concentrate on what you are throwing and make bank the easy way repeting numbers, thus this bet is not recomened to anyone just like the hardways are not it has the same house edge or close to it.<\/p>\n<p>\tBut it shure is fun when you only need the eight and you set the 3v toss the 62 combo which you had set on top just a bang bang shot.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>there are three bets hear they work like so you must toss all the small ones 2-6 before a seven comes it pays 35 to one then there is the tall you must toss 8 threw 12 without tossing any&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":34,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1209","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-craps"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1209","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/34"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1209"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1209\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1209"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1209"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1209"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}