{"id":1134,"date":"2012-08-04T18:07:06","date_gmt":"2012-08-04T18:07:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/04\/sharpshooter-bet\/"},"modified":"2012-08-04T18:07:06","modified_gmt":"2012-08-04T18:07:06","slug":"sharpshooter-bet","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2012\/08\/04\/sharpshooter-bet\/","title":{"rendered":"Sharpshooter bet"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nIn Colorado as many of you know some of our casinos have unleashed the fire bet. The fire bet is a crazy bet, but one of the casinos did an alternate (with the same payout) called the sharpshooter&#8230; At the table everyone was playing it and shouting sharpshooter this and sharpshooter that&#8230; I thought I was going to meet the real Sharpshooter until I figured out what they all were on about. The sharpshooter is just like the firebet except repeated points count. If you plan to make at least 3 points (even if you just hit the same number repeatedly) it makes sense to bet it.<br \/>\n\tIn my mind a good bet is where you win money and a bad bet is where you lose money (end up with less than you started). The math says you will lose mmore than you win, and I would never bet it on a random shooter, but doesnt it make sense if you know the controlled shooter can do it to take advantage and beat the house at their own game?<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 4, 2012, 6:32 pm<\/p>\n<div>Pays according to how many times shooter makes a point(1 to 10)<\/p>\n<p>\tDepending on the bet and the Pay Table:<\/p>\n<p>\tA house edge of 21.87%.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on August 4, 2012, 6:35 pm<\/p>\n<div>Sharp Shooter<\/p>\n<p>\tThe &quot;Sharp Shooter&quot;\u009d is a side bet in craps made when a new shooter takes the dice, and pays according to how many times he makes a point. The follow table shows what each number of points made pays and the probability.  Pays are shown on a &quot;to one&quot; basis. The lower right cell shows a house edge of <strong><u><span style=\"color: #FF0040\"><span style=\"font-size: 1125px\">21.87%<\/span><\/span><\/u><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>\t[pre]&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<strong><u>Sharp Shooter Return Table<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\tEvent         Pays     Probability       Return<br \/>\n\t10+ \t       299 \t0.000122 \t0.03644I<br \/>\n\t 9 \t       199 \t0.000178 \t0.035474<br \/>\n\t 8 \t       99 \t0.000439 \t0.043461<br \/>\n\t 7 \t       49 \t0.001081 \t0.052975<br \/>\n\t 6 \t       29 \t0.002662 \t0.077212<br \/>\n\t 5 \t       19 \t0.006557        0.12458<br \/>\n\t 4 \t        9 \t0.016148        0.145328<br \/>\n\t 3 \t        5 \t0.039766        0.198831<br \/>\n\t 2 or less     -1 \t0.933047       -0.933047<\/p>\n<p>\t Total          1                      -0.218744[\/pre]<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on August 5, 2012, 3:07 am<\/p>\n<div>WHAT ARE THE LIMITS ON THIS BET ?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 5, 2012, 2:54 pm<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>Mike-ro-wave said:<br \/>\n\tI thought I was going to meet the real Sharpshooter<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\tRecently CCRoller, Sharpshooter, Sharpshooter&#8217;s son, and I were playing together at a table.<\/p>\n<p>\tMy wife, who is published author, and Sharpshooter traded autographed books.<\/p>\n<p>\tA group that I play with often have Sharpshooter as a part of the group.<\/p>\n<p>\tWhen I first met Sharpshooter, I was surprised at how young he looked in comparison to all of the older members of GTC.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 5, 2012, 5:09 pm<\/p>\n<div>definitely a group I would want to play with \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\n\tAt the RiB-ee-air-uh (or email me for the real name) the limit was 25.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 5, 2012, 5:45 pm<\/p>\n<div>I enjoy studying player. I probably shouldn&#8217;t comment but:<\/p>\n<p>\tOne of the things I like to study is the betting habits of players. Sharpshooter and his son are very conservative bettors. <\/p>\n<p>\tHe is teaching his son very well.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> CC Roller on August 6, 2012, 4:56 pm<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p><strong>&quot;CIII&quot; wrote:<\/strong> I enjoy studying player. I probably shouldn&#8217;t comment but:<\/p>\n<p>\tOne of the things I like to study is the betting habits of players. Sharpshooter and his son are very conservative bettors. <\/p>\n<p>\tHe is teaching his son very well.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\n\tHe has also taught his son how to toss as well. His throw look great.<\/p>\n<p>\tCC Roller<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> AlamoTx on August 18, 2012, 7:43 pm<\/p>\n<div>I make a $2 &#8211; $5 fire bet once in a while when I&quot;ve got the dice ( I hit it once when I didn&#8217;t have it bet! ).  My rationalization is that it is no worse a use of your money than making a bet for the dealers or tipping the drink person.  Except that the fire bet won&#8217;t move back from the stick when you&#8217;re shooting or make sure your water bottle is fresh&#8230;.or your beer bottle, if you&#8217;ve just shot a 30 roll hand and are ready to leave.<\/p>\n<p>\tAlamo<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on August 19, 2012, 6:45 am<\/p>\n<div>Where is this bet played?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on August 19, 2012, 10:29 pm<\/p>\n<div>The bets are placed up near the box man like the fire bets are. We played this last week in Indiana made a 5 # roll , but it don&#8217;t pay well like the true fire bet. We only bet this on our rolls, knowing we had the edge to make 3 or more points.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on September 29, 2012, 1:36 am<\/p>\n<div>CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME IN PLAIN ENGLISH, HOW THE SHARPSHOOTER SIDE BET WORKS. THANK YOU. JAIME<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> OneMoonCircles on September 29, 2012, 5:34 am<\/p>\n<div>Mike-ro&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>\tDo not even hint at names of casinos. E-mail answers to these type questions direct and not on this board.<\/p>\n<p>\tThe Sharpshooter bet is still in test mode here in Colorado. The Fire Bet is on the October agenda at the gaming commission&#8217;s meeting. The casinos have their choice of 4 pay tables. The assholes here are &quot;generously&quot; paying $299 for all 6 hits. I would probably bet $5 a year if it paid $999 but for $299 they can kiss my ass.<\/p>\n<p>\tOMC<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> ACPA on September 29, 2012, 6:03 am<\/p>\n<div>In simple terms Sharpshooter is an additional bet you make before a new shooter starts their roll.<\/p>\n<p>\tDifferent pay tables exist depending on how many points are established and made before that shooter sevens out.<\/p>\n<p>\tI&#8217;ve been told the most common table pays 299 for 1, ie you get $1,495 back if you bet $5 on it and the shooter makes 10 points.  If I remember right the shooter has to make three points before you make anything on it.  House advantage is 21+%.<\/p>\n<p>\tNot a recommended bet.<\/p>\n<p>\tFor more details try the &quot;wizard of odds&quot; site.<\/p>\n<p>\tNoah<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on September 30, 2012, 5:45 am<\/p>\n<div>I was at casino that pays 7.00 for 3rd point 25.00 for 4 th point  ? for 5th point and 300 for 6th point.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on September 30, 2012, 5:49 am<\/p>\n<div>Was at table when the fire was made for 4 th point but no one was on it and dealer said the 6 th point was made the night before with no body on it.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In Colorado as many of you know some of our casinos have unleashed the fire bet. 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