Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on July 27, 2012, 3:24 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 27, 2012, 3:32 pm<\/p>\n \tNegative Progressions:<\/u> ie. Martingale system \tThe Martingale system is a disaster waiting to happen.<\/strong><\/p>\n \tPositive Progressions<\/u>: ie. Paroli Betting System \tYou never know when a streak occurs until it ends<\/strong>.<\/p>\n \t—————————————————————————-<\/p>\n \tYou might consider:<\/p>\n \t[list]Captain’s Three Strong Points<\/strong><\/p>\n \t[*]Use the Five Count[\/*] Posted by:<\/strong> Agame on July 27, 2012, 3:49 pm<\/p>\n \tBut if you’re a controlled shooter and have different than random results, do go and see for yourself if it’s worth it.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 27, 2012, 4:45 pm<\/p>\n Agame said: I am not even sure what the heck a Martindale is exactly<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \n\t[list]Double your bet is a simple Martingale<\/strong>: Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on July 27, 2012, 5:02 pm<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Agame on July 27, 2012, 8:25 pm<\/p>\n \tI challenge you to the following, though: \tI can’t do it today myself but I’ll post tomorrow; I bet I can beat ya and make more funny money!! \ud83d\ude1b <\/p>\n \tAnyone else wanna join the challenge?<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 27, 2012, 8:32 pm<\/p>\n \tI’ll take the challenge, but I’ll use the Hardway Set and miss toss it by not<\/u> landing the dice flat(twist of the wrist).<\/p>\n \tGood for Horn Numbers and Field Bet Numbers.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 27, 2012, 10:43 pm<\/p>\n \tIf you wish to play a Martingale there, let me know. I like to watch.<\/p>\n \tI’ve seen the dice go around the table without anyone making a point(10 players).<\/p>\n \t Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 27, 2012, 11:22 pm<\/p>\n \tYou can right click on the spreadsheet to View<\/u> and enlarge it.<\/p>\n \t Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on July 28, 2012, 12:05 am<\/p>\n \tWith a $1,300 bankroll you would need 8 PL losses in a row to go bust. There is a 0.437067% chance of having 8 successive PL losses. That would be a little less than 1\/2 of one percent. But you need to have the guts to bet $640 on the eighth try to win $5 if it should come to that. If you did happen to lose 8 in a row, you would have a loss of $1,275. <\/p>\n \tSo as I said before, it is a fantastic strategy until it loses \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on July 28, 2012, 6:59 am<\/p>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on July 28, 2012, 2:38 pm<\/p>\n "Finisher" wrote:<\/strong> Skinny You just reinforced why I should not bet the pass line on cf ers. \n\tIf you are saying you are not going to bet on cf ers at all that is a good thing. But if you are saying you are going to make a different wager on cf ers, then that is a bad idea. Pass\/Come or Don’t Pass\/Don’t Come are the best wagers you can make on a random roller. You will lose money betting on cf ers in the long run. But you will lose less and lose it slower if you only bet the Pass\/Come or Don’t Pass\/Don’t Come instead of any other wager on them.<\/p>\n \tI don’t know why you are asking about how many rollers make a point? A line bet can be resolved without establishing a point number. You win or lose your wager if the shooter rolls a 2\/3\/7\/11 or 12 just as easily as if the shooter makes or does not make a point number.<\/p>\n \tSo here are the possible outcomes of the pass\/come bet and their associated probabilities:<\/p>\n \t Player wins on come out roll: 22.22% \tThat can be translated to somewhat answer the question you asked. Once a player establishes a point he will make the point 40.60% of the time.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Guest on July 28, 2012, 6:15 pm<\/p>\n \tThat is only approximately 2\/3<\/strong> of the time!!!<\/p>\n \tRemember that is for the average random shooter, as for me well… ???<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on July 29, 2012, 4:44 am<\/p>\n "Skinny" wrote:<\/strong> In a random game you are better off betting the pass line instead of the field because it has a lower house advantage and therefore a better chance of winning. To take a realistic look at a martingale on a pass line wager we start with the 50.707% chance that the wager loses.<\/p>\n \tWith a $1,300 bankroll you would need 8 PL losses in a row to go bust. There is a 0.437067% chance of having 8 successive PL losses. That would be a little less than 1\/2 of one percent. But you need to have the guts to bet $640 on the eighth try to win $5 if it should come to that. If you did happen to lose 8 in a row, you would have a loss of $1,275. <\/p>\n \tSo as I said before, it is a fantastic strategy until it loses \ud83d\ude42<\/p><\/blockquote>\n \tSo is it 50.707 or 22.2 ? Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on July 29, 2012, 6:15 am<\/p>\n \tHe can win the pass line wager on the come out roll with a 7\/11 or by establishing and making his point.<\/p>\n \tHe can lose the pass line wager on the come out roll with a 2\/3\/12 or be establishing and not making his point.<\/p>\n \tYou can not just look at the number of players who make their point. Players can win or lose the pass line wager on the come out roll as well<\/strong><\/u>.<\/p>\n \tA player will win his pass line wager with a 7 or 11 approximately 22.22% of the time. \tA player will lose his pass line wager with a 2, 3 or 12 approximately 11.11% of the time. \tIf you do the martingale on the pass line you have to consider rolling a 7 or 11 on the come out roll in addition to making the point.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" I know it is considered a bad strategy but it seems to me that it makes a lot of sense. 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\n\t"With a negative progression system has you increase your bets after a loss. in hopes of getting back to even after a win."<\/p>\n
\n\t"The Positive Progressions betting strategy is to bet more when you are winning and less when you are losing."<\/p>\n
\n\t[*]Make Sensible Bets[\/*]
\n\t[*]Develop a Controlled Throw[\/*][\/list]<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tKeep records of your numbers for a certain amount of time, then do a betting simulation to determine if you would have won using that system in light of the numbers that were thrown. Might be a fun exercise. I am not even sure what the heck a Martindale is exactly, as I use the bread-and-butter play method. <\/p>\n
\n\t[*]You bet $5 and you lose.[\/*]
\n\t[*]You bet $10. If you lose:[\/*]
\n\t[*]You bet $20. If you lose:[\/*]
\n\t[*]You bet $40. If you lose:[\/*]
\n\t[*]You bet $80. If you lose:[\/*]
\n\t[*]You bets $160. If you lose:[\/*]
\n\t[*]You bet $320. If you lose:[\/*]
\n\t[*]You bet $640, which exceeds the maximum bet for many tables.[\/*][\/list]
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\n\tIf you win you get back all of your losses and you win only $5<\/u><\/strong> while you have exposed yourself to large losses!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tThanks for the correction and explanation of the system.
\n\tI’m sweating just thinking of risking over $600 all at once to merely recover any losses \ud83d\ude10 . That’s a tough system if luck or skill decide not to show up.<\/p>\n
\n\tIn practice, bet the field and use the Martingale. Set for craps and field numbers. Give yourself a $500 bankroll. Report back on what happened to it after 36 rolls of the dice. <\/p>\n![\"\"](\"http:\/\/i47.tinypic.com\/29xgm5c.jpg\")
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\n\tSo is there any math that says out of 100 rollers there will be – number that will make one point on average ?
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tSo is there any math that says out of 100 rollers there will be – number that will make one point on average ?
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00<\/p><\/blockquote>\n
\n\t Player loses on come out roll: 11.11%
\n\t Player wins on a point: 27.07%
\n\t Player loses on a point: 39.60%<\/p>\n
\n\t I am a little confused .
\n\tI don’t like the martindale idea but was wondering about it if you did it on the pass line only. What would the likely hood of the roll going 8 or more rollers with out one making a point.
\n\tI one time bet the 8 and it took 4 rollers and 42 numbers till I hit it. If I was using this strategy I think I would have given up sooner.
\n\tHow often is a point made ?
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
\n\tA player will win his pass line wager by making his point 27.07% of the time.
\n\tAdding up the ways a player can win his pass line wager gives 22.22% + 27.07% = 49.29% of the time that a player will win his pass line wager.<\/p>\n
\n\tA player will lose his pass line wager by NOT making his point 39.60% of the time.
\n\tAdding up the ways a player can lose his pass line wager gives 11.11% + 39.60% = 50.71% of the time that a player will lose his pass line wager.<\/p>\n