{"id":10165,"date":"2020-02-29T03:23:44","date_gmt":"2020-02-29T03:23:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2020\/02\/29\/so-whos-up-for-travel\/"},"modified":"2020-02-29T03:23:44","modified_gmt":"2020-02-29T03:23:44","slug":"so-whos-up-for-travel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2020\/02\/29\/so-whos-up-for-travel\/","title":{"rendered":"So, who's up for travel???"},"content":{"rendered":"


\nThe Corona Virus is some scary shit. What are the groups feelings about traveling now. I have an opportunity to be in Atlantic City mid May for a Union Convention but right now I’m somewhat hesitant to commit. Where are the rest of you on this issue…..<\/p>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Big Bad Dad on February 29, 2020, 5:44 am<\/p>\n

I\u2019m headed to Vegas on Sunday. I\u2019ll let you know if I survive.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on February 29, 2020, 2:13 pm<\/p>\n

My humble opinion. Go and have fun. Yes the Corona virus is a scary thing. But at this time (Feb 29th–leap year day) it would not keep me from traveling. Rose and Doc just got back from the Vegas class (absolutely no problem) and will head to Memphis in about 2 1\/2 weeks. And we have a trip to West Texas to see the grand kids followed by the AC Class in April. If things should change we would consider canceling the trip but for now we look forward to these activities. <\/p>\n

\tGo and have fun. l<\/p>\n

\tDoc<\/p>\n

\tPS–get a mask if you feel the need and be sure to use a hand sanitizer and wash your hands frequently. <\/p>\n

\tPSS –The GTC AC class is May 1 to May 3. Rats, you will just miss it.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Stephen C on February 29, 2020, 2:28 pm<\/p>\n

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"Dr Crapology" wrote:<\/strong> PSS –The GTC AC class is May 1 to May 3. Rats, you will just miss it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

\n\tI had hoped that the two would mesh. Would’ve been nice to see everyone again.<\/p>\n

\tHave signed up and have air hotel and car. Will play it by ear. Watching California with now 4 confirmed cases that are from unknown contacts though. And with the high number of visits from there to LV , I wouldn’t be surprised to hear of it there shortly.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> busman3845 on February 29, 2020, 5:07 pm<\/p>\n

Maybe I’m foolish but I don’t worry about such things. I survived Viet nam and a bunch of other incidents that could have ended my life. I’m not going until it’s my time and when it’s my time; there’ll be nothing I can do about it.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on February 29, 2020, 5:37 pm<\/p>\n

OK so they never landlocked that continent like they should\u2019ve so this cats way out of the bag. It got to Italy they don\u2019t know how it got there. There\u2019s American film crews over in Italy filming they just moved outside of Italy to try and avoid it but they still don\u2019t know where when and how the contact point is. For those of us that believe in God and the Bible this is a plague and like you said if it\u2019s your time it\u2019s your time. The funniest thing is people wearing these masks thinking they do any good they don\u2019t.The vote is definitely in God has decided he is going to do some cleansing he\u2019s going to take who you wants and if he doesn\u2019t want you you\u2019ll still be here. Have a great day<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> bminus1 on February 29, 2020, 8:41 pm<\/p>\n

Just some additional information: Zero deaths so far in the US from coronavirus but about 100\/day from the flu.<\/p>\n

\thttps:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/worl … 69896.html<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 2, 2020, 6:16 am<\/p>\n

With all the cuts that have been done it may take some time to get up to speed on this and it seems that Trump thinks it does not to need to be a top thing just yet .I think a 50 yr old died in the us and they have no idea how he got it .The bad thing is that you can transmit it for weeks before you know that you have it .Just think of how many people you come into contract with in that amount of time and the same goes for them .
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Posted by:<\/strong> busman3845 on March 2, 2020, 3:35 pm<\/p>\n

So far it’s not as bad as the flu. Of course; we have a vaccine for that. I think that we’ll have one for this to in the near future.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 2, 2020, 10:00 pm<\/p>\n

I heard that the math says it is 20 xs worse the the flu if not controlled .
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Posted by:<\/strong> Stephen C on March 3, 2020, 11:47 pm<\/p>\n

Nine deaths all in Washington state, same nursing home, so far. Something like 8 states have reported cases, some travel related some unknown. No therapeutic treatment (not expected for 6 to 8 months) and a Vaccine more than a year out.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on March 5, 2020, 6:12 am<\/p>\n

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"Finisher" wrote:<\/strong> I heard that the math says it is 20 xs worse the the flu if not controlled .
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\n\tThis is from the CDC website: Estimated Range of Annual Burden of Flu in the U.S. since 2010
\n\tCDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million \u2013 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 \u2013 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 \u2013 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.<\/p>\n

\thttps:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/flu\/about\/burden\/index.html<\/a><\/p>\n

\tSo according to you with the Coronavirus we can expect between 180 million to 9 billion illnesses in the U.S. That would be between 1\/2 – 25 times the population???<\/p>\n

\tAs for deaths there could be between 240,000 – 1.22 million deaths.<\/p>\n

\tAs of today there are 120 cases and 11 deaths reported in the U.S. Ten of the deaths are in Washington state, six in residents of the LifeCare skilled nursing facility.<\/p>\n

\tLet’s compare that to the swine flu pandemic of 2009: As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Big Bad Dad on March 5, 2020, 6:46 pm<\/p>\n

I made it home from Vegas, Ill check back in two weeks. lol<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> HardNine on March 6, 2020, 12:03 pm<\/p>\n

Flying to NYC for Midnight’s cruse on 4\/7, and have a transatlantic cruise from Rome set in late October. So far, I’m not changing my plans and just plan on being smart. If anyone sneezes on me, which can happen anywhere, I’ll knock ’em silly, and wash hands early and often…. don’t touch your face with your hands… things you should do during normal flu season, that’s all!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Stephen C on March 29, 2020, 10:52 pm<\/p>\n

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SAR’s we had 60 million infected, 300k hospitalized and around 17-18k died. That was during the administration of Obama and Biden. Does that come as a surprise to you? Was this a big secret or did the MSM not report it? What is the difference from then to now? We were still in the era of the 24 hour news cycle. Democrat vs Republican maybe. I’m still concerned, but, beginning to think this is\u00a0
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on March 30, 2020, 7:18 am<\/p>\n

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Things sure do change with this one fast .<\/p>\n

Good Rolling.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on March 31, 2020, 9:42 pm<\/p>\n

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I believe that the so called cure, (closing the whole country) will be worse than the virus. When this is over, we got to ask if all this was worth it. Sweden is doing it differently and we shall see what happens there. To me it started politically, still is political, and with the election will end politically.<\/p>\n

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IMHO, time for some states and counties should open. We have got to get back to work. Last year 34K died of the flu and we didn’t shut down and there is a vaccine for the flu. As Stephen said SARS killed 17K and we didn’t shut down. I think our President was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t, a no win situation.<\/p>\n

My question is this – is this the new normal? Pandemics have happened before and will happen again. Are we going to shut down the country every time one comes about. We all should think about that and again, will this shut down be worse for most of the country or not. I think it will be worse, people who have lost their jobs might never get them back. Chain stores that are closed now might never reopen. The US has got to get back to work.<\/p>\n

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Dom<\/p>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on April 1, 2020, 5:55 am<\/p>\n

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I think this is a great time for TRUMP TO REALLY make the US great why has he not got us to make all that we need . Instead all of the governors are competing with each other then with the Feds. It takes a leader to get us out of this .<\/p>\n

He first said that this was going away and that the governors needed to find for themselves . Now things have sure changed and not for the best .If it gets out of hand and gets even worse then they say it will not matter . It will be the new norm .Just saying I will be in my home till it snows and you know were I live .<\/p>\n

Hope you stay healthy .<\/p>\n

Good Rolling .<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> bminus1 on April 2, 2020, 3:19 pm<\/p>\n

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This is a lot worse than H1N1 because it is ~4x more contagious and ~10x more deadly than H1N1.<\/p>\n

The chart the CDC presented on TV (Dr. Birx March 31st) showed that the DEATHS in America will peak at between 1200 to 3500 PER DAY depending on how well people adhere to the guidelines.\u00a0 The best case scenario results in 100,000 dead when it has run it’s course with 240,000 dead if the guidelines are taken lightly.\u00a0 The total deaths could have been in the millions if no action had been taken to mitigate the spread. Only time will tell if these predictions are accurate. \u00a0<\/p>\n

link to TV update: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=UieI7lej4N0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Preacher on April 2, 2020, 5:27 pm<\/p>\n

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Yes, more die from a variety of flu viruses than COVID-19, so far. So, why all the fuss?<\/p>\n

It\u2019s all because COVID-19 is significantly different by causing lung inflammation. Other flu viruses can cause a excess fluid in the lungs, which might progress to pneumonia – a process that takes time. But lung inflammation happens quickly with COVID-19.<\/p>\n

This means the sick have a tremendously higher need for ventilators, and ventilators are in ICU. As you can now see in NYC, hospitals quickly ran out of ICU beds and ventilators. And, each such bed requires a nurse, at most 1 nurse per two beds.<\/p>\n

Look at how people continue to empty store shelves daily (why toilet paper?). Imagine your dear old dad succumbs to COVID-19 and can\u2019t breath. You rush with him to the ER. There\u2019s a line of the sick waiting for an available bed with a ventilator, just like dear old dad. You\u2019re told, \u201cMaybe tomorrow. But there are 145 on the waiting list ahead of your father, and we have only 33 beds with ventilators. Even if we had more beds, we don\u2019t have the staff for them.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201dBut,\u201d you reply, \u201cthe President said their making more ventilators every day, and the Governor has mobilized the National Guard to help out.\u201d The Admissions Clerk responds, \u201cThat\u2019s all true, but that takes time, and training nurses for ICU and to operate ventilators takes time. If only we didn\u2019t have so many sick at the same time, we would be able to help you. If your father starts to turn blue, come back and we might be able to get him in sooner.\u201d<\/p>\n

if people act crazy to get rolls of tissue for their bums, wait until you see how crazy people get when their loved one is stuck in the hall on a bed, gasping for air, along with a crowded hall full of such people, because there are no more hospital rooms with ventilators and nursing staff. It will get ugly fast. You want to see a country shut down, wait until you see this as COVID-19 burns through our country from NYC to San Francisco.<\/p>\n

Again, it\u2019s all because COVID-19 causes inflammation of the lung tissue.<\/p>\n

The shelter-at-Home, closing most businesses, restricting travel, are all done to SLOW THE SPREAD of COVID-19, which some call \u201cflattening the curve\u201d. There is no vaccine, so there is no stopping the viral spread. But slowing down the spread gives our country time to equip hospitals with ventilators, convert more beds to ICU, train nurses and hospital staff to operate the equipment and care for the patients. It also gives our medical community time to develop effective treatments .<\/p>\n

We are 12+ months away from a vaccine to stop future spreads of COVID-19, so, for now, we have to help the sick survive.<\/p>\n

So, stay home. Support your community in its fight to keep hospital ICU beds open for the really sick.<\/p>\n

Yes, we can\u2019t keep this shutdown going for too long. But seeing how well President Trump and our country are stepping up to defeat COVID-19, and bring economic relief to our vulnerable employees and businesses, I am confident we\u2019ll not only survive as a strong and vibrant country, we will reopen and come roaring back.<\/p>\n

God bless America!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on April 2, 2020, 5:55 pm<\/p>\n

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By now we would have made are dates to go to Spain but that is not happening and it seems that it may not happen this year . We usually go for 3 months to see the grd kids and our daughter .They have not left their home for a month now and it is still bad there .I hope this gets over soon .<\/p>\n

Good Rolling.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on April 2, 2020, 7:35 pm<\/p>\n

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From the CDC website: Estimated Range of Annual Burden of Flu in the U.S. since 2010
CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million \u2013 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 \u2013 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 \u2013 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.<\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/flu\/about\/burden\/index.html<\/a><\/p>\n

Let’s compare that to the swine flu pandemic of 2009: As of mid-March 2010, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died.<\/p>\n

For Covid-19, as of March 3, 2020, there were 120 cases and\u00a0<\/span>11 deaths reported in the U.S. Ten of the deaths were in Washington state, six in residents of the LifeCare skilled nursing facility.<\/span><\/p>\n

As of today, April 2, 2020 the latest numbers from Johns Hopkins University report in the U.S. there have been 226,374 confirmed cases with 5,316 deaths.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s compare them side by side:<\/p>\n

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Flu \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 27 million \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a037,000<\/p>\n

H1N1 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 59 million \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 12,000<\/p>\n

Covid-19 \u00a0 226,374 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a05,316<\/p>\n

Plus Covid-19 went from 120\/11 to 226,374\/5,316 in less than one month.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Clearly the Coronavirus is much more virulent and lethal than anything we have experienced in our lifetime. \u00a0It is highly contagious and mitigation (social distancing) is the only hope we have for now to slow it down.\u00a0<\/p>\n

The first deaths occurred in Washington state. That state acted very rapidly in closing the state down. California followed suit with their reaction one week later.\u00a0<\/p>\n

New York waited until two weeks after Washington state and one week after the federal government issued the first stop the spread directive. \u00a0Given how fast this virus spreads it is my personal feeling that the delay of a week or two made the problem much worse for NY than what WA and CA are now experiencing. \u00a0I am not saying that to assign blame but rather to point out how seriously we need to take this disease.\u00a0<\/p>\n

The incubation period is 2 – 14 days with an average of around 7 days for infected people to develop symptoms. Expect the next two weeks to be very challenging. The numbers will rise dramatically as those infected in the past week or two will start to succumb to the disease. That doesn\u2019t mean our efforts are not working. Only that we haven\u2019t reached the peak of the curve yet from what we did in the past.\u00a0<\/p>\n

This is a most difficult challenge but we are a hardy people capable of rising to the occasion. Stay safe, protect your loved ones and we will come thru this together.\u00a0<\/p>\n

God bless America.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Preacher on April 3, 2020, 12:28 pm<\/p>\n

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@skinny I agree completely with your analysis. Residents of NYC and surrounding areas that commute to NYC are unique in our country in their pervasive use of mass transportation. The commuters breath the same air in close proximity to each other and touch the same surfaces repeatedly. That is an environment primed for mass infection.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s not a criticism, it\u2019s fact for life in the Big Apple. That\u2019s why NYC is the epidemic epicenter, and they need our help.<\/p>\n

For the rest of us, our time will come. For now, we need to do what we can to slow the spread so as to keep medical resources available for those in need.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on April 3, 2020, 5:40 pm<\/p>\n

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Skinny You said that it went from 120 \/11 to 226,374 \/5,316 in one month so how does that look till Nov. ?\u00a0<\/p>\n

I feel that we are still at the start of this or in the 2nd inning of the situation with vary little leadership .<\/p>\n

I said in another post that this is a great time for Trump to make what his hats say yet he is just now talking to 3M and others when he should have done that months ago .just saying .<\/p>\n

He in in a position that no other person is in to know about things .He just has to listen more then just go with his thoughts about how it would affect him in the election .\u00a0<\/p>\n

Good Rolling.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on April 4, 2020, 1:03 am<\/p>\n

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It was 226,374\/5,316 yesterday.<\/p>\n

It is 276,995\/7,406 today.<\/p>\n

It went up 50,000 cases and 2,100 deaths in just 1 day here in the U.S.<\/p>\n

But there are a few factors driving those numbers.\u00a0 However it does appear that the curve is increasing sharply and will be for the next 2 weeks or so.\u00a0 Most of that is being driven by what is happening in NY and mainly in NYC.\u00a0 If NY state were a country it would rank 4th in the world with 103,476\/3,218.<\/p>\n

The models showed that we could expect somewhere between 100,000 – 240,000 deaths in the U.S. with the mitigation we were doing at that point.\u00a0 Today I think the lower number is down to 93,000.<\/p>\n

The problem is we do not have sufficient experience to predict this pandemic accurately.\u00a0 The numbers change daily and they can change dramatically.\u00a0 NYC and its surrounding territory is driving the U.S. numbers severely.\u00a0 If there is another outbreak in a different metro area such as Detroit, New Orleans, Los Angeles, etc. the numbers could worsen far more than they have thus far.<\/p>\n

That is the reason we need to take this seriously.\u00a0 It can be controlled, we have a huge army attacking this problem, there is no need to panic.\u00a0 But now is not the time for complacency or partisanship.\u00a0 This is a nationwide problem that we can solve as a nation with each of us doing our part as Americans.<\/p>\n

As I said yesterday, CA and WA seem to be under control for now.\u00a0 There are some concerns about Detroit and New Orleans.\u00a0 Only time will tell.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Nobody can tell you accurately where we will be in November.\u00a0 The expectation is that this round of Covid-19 will be over.\u00a0 It could recur in the Fall but by then we will be in a much better position to deal with it.\u00a0 A certain amount of herd immunity will have been built into the population, we will be better positioned to deal with it because of what we learned thru this wave, in general it should not be anything like this outbreak.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Admin on April 4, 2020, 6:25 pm<\/p>\n

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https:\/\/covid19.healthdata.org\/projections<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on April 4, 2020, 8:38 pm<\/p>\n

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Yes, Mark \u00a0That\u2019s the IHME model that Dr. Birx quoted yesterday when she said it was down to 93,000. \u00a0While Dr. Fauci and she seem to have the most confidence in that model they know the variance is large due to the many variables in the data.<\/p>\n

Look at the range on August 5. It is between 40,000 and 180,000.<\/p>\n

it will be bad if people don\u2019t follow the guidelines. But so far they seem to be listening.\u00a0<\/p>\n

A working therapeutic could be a positive game changer. I am hoping Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin turn out to be one of the answers.\u00a0<\/p>\n

I am hopeful with the best working on this we can get over it soon.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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