First always use the 5-count. Next hedging your come bet which is a positive bet with an any craps bet which is a negative bet defeats the purpose of the come bet. Lastly, sometimes you will win and sometimes you will lose, but they way to make more money is to LOSE less money and that is what comebets do because of the very low house edge!

Dom

A dealer once told me that he would be happy if he could win 2.00 on every roll . I always think that  a win is a win no matter how big or small . So that session I won more for that crap bet then I did on ALL those come bets that I put out there . 

Last night it went a little different . I made come bets on 3 players and won all 3 . So I lost 6.00  on those crap bets but that was better then loosing 9 come bets . YOU just never know how the dice will roll .  Some times when I see my stack of white chips get longer and longer I say to myself this is a crap game for sure . So Dom you wait for 5 count or more then put up come bet just how many come bets are you willing to go threw till you stop and then when will you make another one ? 

I have played with anther GTC player lately were he threw several crap numbers in a row and that 4.00 win did add up and still keep me in the game for a win . Is it not true that no matter how good you may be crap numbers do come up .

Most of the time I put my come bet out there after a crap number rolls . LOL 

Good Rolling.

Finisher,

You’ve played probably twice as long as me and twice as many times. And don’t you play local casinos, where you get to be known as a regular? If so, I suspect that is why you don’t like to 5-count. And without the 5-count, that’s why you like to bet the Craps numbers on Come-Out.

Let me explain. The 5-Count leaves you standing at the table without betting on half the shooters or more, without betting half the time or more as the dice move around. It can make you stand out in a negative way, almost as bad as being a Don’t Player. 

As to hedging on the Come Out with a Craps bet, it’s the only way to offset all those 7-outs random rollers get, since you’re not protecting yourself with the 5-count.

Without the 5-Count and a full table, waiting for the dice gets expensive more often than not. That’s why the 5-Count is such a big tool in minimizing losses that otherwise cut into your game. But, yes, it is often awkward feeling.

We each have to decide what’s more important – using the 5-Count to protect our money from 47% of the guaranteed short rolls, or playing every Come Out roll and thereby eating the loss from all those short rolls along with everyone else (misery loves company). Let’s face it. If everyone loses one short roll after another, except for you and the Don’t players, you might not make any friends. Dom’s advice will be, “Keep your money and get new friends!” 

Hello Finisher, I’m a newbie here and I used the 5 count. Oh man, this really saved me a’lot of money. It put my game in a slow pace, so I went to my old way of gambling. But then looked down and saw a really bad situation. Went back to 5 count had some decent roller’s. Made what I call my old money back. As far as the come bet’s I waited for a hit to place another. I’m still less than 2000 roll’s with the bone’s. So far biggest roll out 15 and that was at a table I found out was not level. Let’s just say it was at that E. Tower.

May the good time’s ro!!

Preacher  Just for some info I got hooked on craps back in 76 when we were down to our last 16.oo playing slots and I told my wife to be lets try craps . Well it was a 3.00 table and I know NOTHING about the game betting I did not know how much they even paid for a win let alone about pressing . Well 4 or 5 hours later left with 315.00 . I don’t think we even took that much to play with . 

Now as I said in post even if I used the 5  count the result would have been the same . I have no problem with not betting except for boredom at times . The next time it worked out to the better even though I had to wait for a come bet that went on the 4 for some time . The roller even hit the small 2 rolls before he rolled the 4 that I needed . 

During those 12 rollers there was just one PSO . I must say that IF I would have done place betting like I did on the roller before me I would have been better off . 

So if you 5 or 6 count you then are betting a long shot on a roller that you know nothing about . Even though your bet will be on roll 6 to 8 roll .  When the average is ?  The PSO brings the average down like a gutter ball in bowling . But I do get that win which was not often during those 12 rollers . The big problem is getting a 4 or 10 for a come bet most of the time even though I have gotten it on a 8 and the roller rolled for 20 min and still not hit it . 

Good Rolling 

To answer your question Finisher – I wait the 5-count – (NOT THE 6 count, I don’t know where  that is coming from) – and then I put out 1 comebet, and I wait to collect that one comebet and when it does collect if it does, I replace it with another comebet. I then wait for 2 collections and I will go out with a second comebet.

all should by my new book with the 3 DVD’s in it. I explain how I put and how EVERYONE should bet. My whole betting lecture is include in the DVD’s. It is well worth the price of $39.95 for the book or $29.95 for the download. I am not really trying to sell it, but is so important, if not even more important than having a controlled throw. Betting will make or break you!

Always remember, “The way to learn how to win MORE money is to learn how to lose LESS money!”

Betting is the thing! Yes, the 5-count can be boring, but as Preacher said, I would rather be bored at the table waiting for the dice to come to me, than to bet on everyone and use place  bets and lose my money because you will lose in the long run on random rollers!

Dom

I try to read and understand what I read but am getting old . I think that I said that I had one come win from a PSO and that the other come bets that I made were during rolls in the teens or twenties . So the 5 count would not have helped unless that 6th roll was a repeater. you just never know if the first roll after the point is est. will be a repeater or that 6 th. roll that you bet on . I just thought to try come bets again and it just did not go well but did the next session .

So if the crap comes out when you make that first come bet on the 6 th roll do you put up another ? Even if it is on a GTC roller or randie ?

Good Rolling .

Yes, if a craps come out you put another comebet. I no that it is frustrating when that craps number comes out, but I or anyone should not make a negative bet, (the any craps bet), with a positive bet – the comebet

Dom

I would not do that . The reason is that roller is already past a even good rollers SRR I would say . Your   first come bet looses on the 6 th. roll and then the 7 th roll ( come bet ) goes to a box number . On the 8 th.  roll it may be another crap number or other number then were your come bet went to . iF THE 7 COMES YOU HAVE  now lost 2 come bets on one roller plus odds if you did odds . That would be a bigger hole then my way by at least 2 rollers . if there are 12 rollers ahead of you to roll I hope you make a few wins on those come bets . 

I will be happy with one come bet on each roller . If I make 4.00 on that 2.00 investment  so be it . I still have the money to make that 2nd come bet . Which has happened a lot of times . So you say I lost that 2.00 every time and I say to you that you lost the 10.00  and you are going to put up another 10.00 to win 10.00 but I am going to put up 10.00 also but I have the 2.00 that I put up and also the 2.00 for that next come bet  not out of my rack . 

So at this point you have taken 20.00 out of your rack and I have taken 12.00 out of it with 2 returning to it .   I may take that 4.00 win and be happy it depends on how I like the way the roller is rolling .  But your way is the right way like when I took the class and there was no mention about come bets . just a thought .

 Things do change over time and your way of playing has only gotten better along with this site . 

Good Rolling .

All I can say Finisher is that GTC had 500 billion rolls to justify what we say about the 5-count. We have proven what we say. Do as you wish

Dom

I guess you are just to had headed or getting OLD like me . I SAID in the post that even if I used the 5 count it would not have mattered since the come bets that went to other numbers NEVER were rolled again . 

I believe in the 5 count and that if you are going to play 2 or more come bets on a roller that you do not know or a roller that is not having a good roll that is up to you . I myself will only invest one come bet on them there will be another roller that may do better for my come bets .Just think the way you are betting every roller that you bet on needs to roll 5 to ??? NUMBER OF ROLLS before  a win  unless they 7 out on that 5th roll .

I wonder what your edge of winning that come bet is after it goes on a number after the 6 th roll ? If I loose my come bet on a roller I am not willing to invest another but that is just me for now . If you go back and reread my vary first post about me with the first time with come betting you will know why . Short it was a roll that lasted for awhile with me making like 20 come bets and winning ONE . The DP players loved the roll along with the place betters . I was the ONLY come better at the table .  Even started to bet the 7 on come out roll to not loose my come bet . That did help me win that one come bet . LOL 

Maybe in future I should make my post short and simple like you do .

Good Rolling .

About the negative thing some may think that a come bet is . I say this since when you put it out there with all place better playing they may look like you want the 7 for a win . Have you every thought about that . I try to think positive with that one bet that is why I make it or I would just wait for my roll which have many times .

Good Rolling  Hope to see you and instructors post more .