So you had 5 come bets plus the passline bet for a total of 6 working bets before you collected on any bet?

Dom

yes I usually just do 2 come bets then wait for hits . Since I had been winning on one come bet with all other rollers I decided to just make come bets till roll ended . Boy was that a mistake . I was up more then 3 xs  my bye in on other rollers with just making one come bet at a time . Did get a few hits on come out rolls but most were just wins on one come bet . I did only have 1xs odds on the come bets . I needed to roll a 5 for the point .Needed the 2 and 12 for the STA . 

I still roll a lot of all the numbers then 7 out . In an old post that I shared I said that I rolled the dice 3 times rolling all the numbers while on the 6 and 8 then 7ed out . The guy next to me bet across and when his number hit would take his bet down . He liked the way I rolled . After 3 rolls I left .

I have been doing more come bets . It is hard when you have some thing like this happen . I will go back to just one or two come bets till I have some wins . 

It was nice to win the STA for change . 

Did you get the book done in time for the classes ?

Hope to see more posts about the weekend .

Good Rolling.

First the book – It is done and I am getting a sample of the printed copy this week. The 3 videos are all edited and ready for download and the book will also be ready for download as well. I will have an early bird pre-order promotion very soon. Thanks for asking!

What I do – I always start with three working bets which are the passline and two comebets. If I don’t get a hit on any of those three bets in the next 3 rolls I will go with another comebet making a total four working bets. Then I will just ride that out

Dom

Don so on your first roll you have a pass line bet ? Then you put up a come bet or are you saying that right off you have 2 come bets working on first roll ? It may take me more then 2 or 3 rolls to get up on 2 come bets .

I had a roll one time were I placed the 6 and 8 and did hit the 8th on the 17 roll for a win . if I would have been betting come bets I would have had one come bet up and still no win . It was a weird roll . It was all crap and 7s . Did win pass line bets . I 7ed out on the 18th roll . Many years ago but one to remember.

Good Rolling. 

Well first – the name is Dom :)))))

Next, I get the dice, put down a passline bet and establish a point. I then put out a comebet, establish a point for that comebet, and then the same thing for the third. So it takes me three rolls to have 3 working bets, unless I repeat a number before the third roll. Then if I don’t repeat within 3-4 rolls I go out with a third comebet so I would then have 4 working bets in total

Dom

Sorry Dom . It went like this made pass line bet then come bet with the 5 as point . The come went to 4 then made another come bet . Lost it to the 3 . Made another come bet . It went to the 6 another come bet hoping to roll the 6 or 4 again . It went to the 8 . Then another come bet went to 9 . Next come bet went to 10 . Then won on next come bet with 11 . Then the 7 out . Next time will stick to 2 come bets till win some . I guess getting the STA win made me think I could roll a repeater of one of those numbers before the 7 .

Hope you had some great students and enjoyed getting out . Hope to get your book before I leave for Spain to see daughter and Grad kids .

Good Rolling.

One way or another I will get you the book Finisher. When are you leaving to see your daughter?

Dom

Dom not until July so no hurry yet . 

Good Rolling.

OK – plenty of time

Finisher,  Rose and Doc use pass line / come bets with odds almost exclusively for 2 reason:

1.  The 2 base bets has absolutely the lowest house vig of any bets in the casino–1.4%.

2.  Since you add odds to your base bet, you have a zero house advantage on this portion of your wager as the house pays you the exact probability of winning the odds wager.  So as Gold Finger says “you never really lose lose your odds bet because the worse thing that can happen is that you will break even on the odds over the long run even on random rollers. The odds portion of a wager is simply a temporary hit to your bank roll. 

Always remember the house loses a lot of wagers on any game in the house– but still has a solid mathematical advantage in the long run and build those massive hotel/casino with their small edge on hundreds of millions of customer wagers every year.  

With your GTC advantage you have this same advantage over the casino in the long run.  

Now we know it is tough to lose a pass line and 2 come bets with a quick 7 out–but you really only lose the base bet–remember no house edge on the odds portion.  

Just make sure you are playing within your bank roll.

Just a quick idea that has helped us.

Rose and Doc

Great points Doc!

Dom

When I look at the math like Skinny does it says that in a 15 roll which i6/8 rolls 2.5 times the 5/9 roll 2 times and the 4/10 rolls 1.5 times . It seems that a lot of my come bets go to the 4 or 10 and then the math is not at all in my favor . I have stood there with one come bet at times for more then 20 rolls . 

With the math for come bet wins you need to be throwing repeaters more often then I do . The math says that you will make 2 come bet wins in 15 rolls only if you are on one that you repeat .

I am still working on doing come bets but it is hard to over come that you either need to throw more repeaters or get lucky right away .

I think it at times it is hard when you have 2 or 3 come bets working and others are collecting and you are not . You may even be in a 20 or more roll with just 1 or 2 wins were every one else as been winning more . Also the crap numbers do not just disappear when rolling . So that would be a loss if you are making a come bet . Were it is not a loss for place betters . 

I had discussions with Skinny about the 12 and he said that the math says it will show up . So this just makes it hard to just do come bets . The discussion was about the doey don’t system and the 12 on come out rolls . 

Good Rolling.

The math on comebets doesn’t change because of repeaters – it is the math.

Sometimes you will have an outlier, if you don’t hit that comebet after 5 throws, put another out.

Dom

With 15+ rolls, unless you roll a lot of Horn numbers, you have to have repeated numbers. If Horn numbers come on a hardways dice set, it means your dice are flipping sideways instead of rolling forward, right? That often indicates your grip is applying pressure with your middle finger, splitting the dice on release.

Nevertheless, I have found most who complain about how Come Bets take 2 rolls to get the first collection are suffering from one of two things. Either (1) suffering from the impatience of a gambler, amplified when getting no reward from the first throw of each number, when the Come Bet just moves up to the box number, instead of to the player’s rack. Or, (2) suffering from too many short rolls, which often means zero collections, and from too few long rolls (20+) when the Come Bet odds quickly add to your chip rail. Both conditions take their toll, eating the profits of an otherwise Advantage Player.

But for you, Finisher, as a fellow old timer (correct me if I’m being presumptuous about your age), you might be suffering from the dreaded “it’s hard for an old dog to learn new tricks”, from which the many dormant years of using only Place Bets (before coming to Golden Touch) rears its ugly head.

BTW, Finisher, my having enjoyed your posts over the past 6 years, I hope to meet you before too long. 

Hi Preacher I still practice a little even at my age . If I get to a point were I will be throwing repeaters more then I do now I will become a only come player like Dom . But I did give it a try many years ago at Planet H . in Vegas . To make it short I lost about 20 or more come bets before I got my first win on a come bet . Even the DP /DC players were happy with my roll . I did make money on my point wins but every body was winning a lot more then me . When the wife came to get me everyone was upset that I had to leave . I even got to a point were I was betting the 7 on the come outs . That helped a little . 

At that time they did not have the bonus bets that they have now or I would have been happy .

I looked a the math like Skinny does from the Wizard for that 15 roll thing . 

If you are ever in Phoenix you are welcome to give me a call and roll on table that I built even though it is getting old also .

I don’t get to Vegas much now that we have real craps in Az . 

That roll was a long time ago and I made like 6 or 7 points and did make one come bet win after I made the 5th point IF I remember right . It was one of my better rolls even with not that many wins with come bets . That is one reason I went back to place bets . But I still make them just not only them .

Good Rolling.

Well put Preacher and Finisher is a great guy!

Dom

@preacher I think you have to add #3 Practice!