I have had a similar experience with new layouts on favorite tables. There was a table in 2 different casinos that I frequented fairly often that were ideal. I can’t recall ever losing on those 2 tables. Alas, the 2 tables were both recovered with relatively very reactive (bouncy) layouts. I have only recently adapted my throw to deal with a less ideal, reactive table in practice at home. Lowering the arc initial angle to approximately 25 to 30 degrees has helped immensely, but it is more difficult due to geometry to land the dice flat at that angle and it does require more back spin to prevent the dice from hitting the back wall hard and therefore rolling back up the table (increasing the randomness) – not dying at the base of the pyramids as preferred.

On a positive note, I believe that the reactiveness (bounciness) of a layout seems to improve with use, in other words, it tends to break-in. I have observed this on my practice rig at home as well as regarding tables in casinos. So, there is hope that if you return in a few months, those unplayable tables may become more playable as they break-in.

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The more I practice, the luckier I get.

I was shocked when I made a trip back EAST and was at the craps table in like 2nd spot when this guy gets the dice and throws them past me hits the wall goes to the other end and hits the wall were he was and ALMOST makes it to me just passed the stick person for the 3rd time .I could not belive that they stayed on the table .
Good Rolling. 😀 🙂

Nice to hear someone is in the casino playing with dice this July. Glad you had a successful trip.

I played in AC this weekend. The casino closest to the inlet had craps tables similar to the table that was at the May seminar. I felt the tables height, length and bounce were just about the same. I noticed the total height right away from the floor to the top of the chip rail, as well as the playing surface when I went to set the dice.

High Arc

I can’t imagine that a reactive bouncy table would make more money for the Casinos then a neutral one. It is all about number of rolls per hour. I do not have any statistical data but I estimate that the random roller will have a hard time keeping the dice on the table and sure enough the casino’s will start losing more money with this approach.
-Mr. PiP

When our favorite casino changed their tables several years ago, the dealers told us they were spending more time chasing dice with their backs to the tables. They were not at all happy, but those tables are still there. The answer was the felt will last longer.

Goddess