Hey Bman. An experienced player like you knows to ask about the HE on a buy bet when paying the commission after the win and not before. This is also true on a crapless game.
The HE on the buy bets for 2/12 is .7413% where it is 4.7619% when paying the commission always.
The HE on the buy bets for 3/11 is 1.25% and it’s also 4.7619% when paying the commission always.
Placing the 2/12 is 7.1429% and the 3/11 is 6.250.
As an aside the HE on come bets with 5xodds is 1.042% which is so much higher that a normal game.
Let’s talk about this game when I see you in the late summer.
BTK

Billy is correct for a $20 wager. Bman asked about betting a $25 wager.

If the vig is paid up front on every wager the HA is 3.85% for both bets on a quarter.

And if the Vega is paid after the win sorry about that guys I know better

And FYI the crap less games that are coming into town are offering 12345 times odds

What timing. I met up with Bman last 28th/29th at a crapless table and we talked about the 2-3-11-12 bets.
We talked about setting a different hardway set (6’s up, 1’s down with 2’s &5’s on the barrel) leaving the 3’s & 4’s to the outside. This set puts the 2-3-11-12 more in play on one’s shot and takes the inside numbers more out of play.

Thanks to this discussion with Bman I used the set when playing the REPEATER bet at another casino to great advantage. Hit 3 repeater bets (2-3-11) on one roll, then hit them (3-11-12) on the second rolls during that session.

This may not be kosher GTC training and betting strategy but it show using the hard way set to an advantage to match table conditions along with betting strategy.

Bman, thanks for that discussion. Sorry we did not get to throw together.

Where have you been Scooter? Long time and good to see you posting again!

Here is my thoughts on that set and your win – shit happens 😀 – the reason I say this is not to be funny or to criticize you in using it, but to say this – to throw those numbers with that you set you need to throw the perfect shot. You need to hit primary numbers, the numbers that are showing on the faces. As we all know, when we set hardways we don’t always hit hardways, but we do avoid the 7. Sometimes using the hardways, those hardways are coming in bunches. That is because you are right on with your shooting.

Well the same thing happened that night with that set. You could have probably used the cross 6 set and still hit what you hit. it wasn’t the set, it was your ability on that given night to hit primary numbers that you know you don’t always hit.

So, don’t think you found the holy grail. Please think twice before using that set again.

Dom

Ps don’t be a stranger