In Atlantic City casinos it is illegal to ban card counters as a result of the Uston v. Resorts International Hotel, Inc., a New Jersey Supreme Court decision. Only the New Jersey Casino Control Commission has the power to make rules to exclude such players. Because the Commission has made no ruling on card counting, Atlantic City casinos, at this moment, are not allowed to ban card counting…

However, if a NJ casino suspects you of card counting they can and will give you a hard time. They can shuffle frequently making counting not viable, they can cut off half the shoe or they can try to distract you making it hard to keep the count accurately.

I was playing BJ at a table in AC with Frank once several years ago. The shift manager came over to the table and told Frank he knew who he was and of his ability to count cards. He said we were welcome to play but he was ordering the dealer to shuffle the deck every time after dealing out 3 hands to us. He was not confrontational, very matter of fact in his demeanor.

We thanked him for his hospitality but said unfortunately we had a prior commitment so we could not stay and play. We got up and left to go elsewhere.

So if Louisiana passes this law that does not mean you will have free reign to count cards indiscriminately.

I have a similar story about controlled shooting where we could not be banned. But I think you get my point.

Skinny, I would like to see the story of your experience on how the casino gets around not being able to ban Craps Advantage Players, too.

I am impressed that the casinos (special interest groups) could not stop this change to the law in Louisiana. It leads me to think approaching the Louisiana Gamming Board might not be wholly biased in favor of casinos. In any case, the legislature and Governor are obviously not predisposed to favor the casino.

So, if a casino takes action against an Advantage Player, and that action has the same effect as would a ban, I’d be interested in knowing what the Gaming Board would have to say.

A Ban means they refuse to allow you access to their casino. there are many ways they can keep you from enjoying the benefits of being a Controlled shooter, here are just a fer that pop to Mind……. 1. Sorry we don’t allow setting the dice in any fashion. 2. Your dice have to hit the back wall hard if they don’t we’ll call a no roll. Or the best for last, You can play craps at our table anytime you wish, but, you can’t throw the dice….. None of these are bans but every one will do the same thing without crossing a legal line.

Stephen, I understand your point. What’s different about the new law in Louisianna is that the law specifically allows skilled play. If a casino prohibits setting the dice, and if I insist on setting the dice and then banned, that would be a violation of the law. Of course, a casino could just not offer Craps and not offer BlackJack. Other than that, I’m expecting it to be difficult for a Louisiana casino to skirt the law like they do in New Jersey. Even so, it will probably take a few lawsuits to verify. But, hey, I’m game. I’ll just represent myself.