I would be interested to see how you change your betting from Ulta Conservative to Very Conservative to Conservative, etc all the way to Ultra Aggressive. As to the SRR, as Dom says in class, you really need about 5000 throws to get an accurate SRR. I am pretty sure you have way more than that but there can be fairly large swings in relative small sample sets so if it were me I would use the last 100 practice sets so you have a larger, more reliable data set.

Good luck and keep us updated.

I agree with Jawbones. Anything can happen in the short run, so that would not be a reliable indicator. I would think 3000 rolls minimum to get an idea of the trend. But, 5000 is the benchmark for long term SSR calculation.

I would also like to see the difference in betting strategies.

NFF

Do you always need session with a 7 . If not then the SRR is going to be off a little . I say this because it may be the big roll of your life and you did not see it . 😀 😀
I always end session with 7 if possible . Just add numbers at end and keep adding till you reach 5,000 or more .
Good Rolling. 😀 🙂

I’ve seen this here many times. I get where 36 comes from, but you don’t need exactly 36 rolls to calculate a session. It doesn’t give you any valid statistical analysis at all as there are not enough rolls in the sample as are stated above. I shoot what I shoot, many times during the day, and shoot hands as if I’m in live play, unless I’m working on something specific, then get back to hands. I record everything in Roll Recorder. I create a shooter from each position on my table with dates. I create a new shooter after taking a class so that it quickly gets into the thousands of rolls. That’s where a valid SRR comes from. It’s fun to look at a day’s play an go OOH, I HAVE A 12 SRR!, but it’s a blip on chart that makes up our true SRR.

As stated by others above, the variance you see in single hands (or 36 roll ‘sessions’) won’t tell you what to do. Add to that the fact that you are changing the venue from your home to a casino and that it’s live play vs. practice, I wouldn’t walk in and be aggressive because I had an amazing session an hour ago on my home table.

I do like your visual aid on the table though. I used to put a white chip on every number hit, a red chip on every payday, and a green for a point made. Was fun to see chips stack up on a given number. The roll recorder gives you the data, but the live chart on the table is always fun.

Happy New Year, all!!!

Don

I like the spreadsheet that you use to record your rolls. I’ve been thinking about creating something like that, but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

I was wondering if most people use a spreadsheet to record their rolls or if they have an app on their phone that works to record the rolls?

Thanks
Gambino

Gambino I record the rolls manually in a log book and then when I have a few minutes, I enter them all in Smart Craps roll recorder program. As Hard Nine says, Roll Recorder will do all the analysis for you.

I’m sure it would be easier to have a laptop near by and record them only once but I am quite used to doing it the way I have been for so long. I also like to write a note or two as needed if I have an epiphany, see a problem, etc.

Hope this helps.

I don’t like the idea of changing betting strategies at all. If you are playing with an edge that is calculated by your SRR over 5000 rolls as NF5 said then bet the same way. If you throw is off, that is the short run and variance, stop playing.

When you lower your betting strategy and continue to play – well IMHO, you are still a gambler that cant stop playing

Dom

Dom, well said.

Rose and Doc

Dom,

I almost agree with you except the following.

The change in the betting strategy is the amount at risk (The spread) but not the way I am betting it is based on come betting with odds (Which is what is taught in the class), I have controls in place to sense the skill when the dice is feeling good the strategy will attack the table and when I am off it will knock me out early and preserve my bankroll (50%).

I don’t think I am a gambler 👿 since I simulate my strategy over 151 session trials at home and I started with a make believe 5K bankroll and I am up to 11K.

One needs that live play action experience to get traction. I am sure you can have a soldier train, train and train but what will make him a better soldier is live combat.

-Mr Pip.

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Absolutely that you need live combat just like solder. And BTW – going from 5K to 11K in practice is really great and I congratulate you!

But my point is this, If your throw is off when you are playing then risking less than your normal amount is still risking money when your edge is not showing up. So if you are playing anyway ….. well then the gambler in you has shown its ugly face

Dom