Can you throw fifty pair of dice and land 30 of them in a 4 inch pvc cap?

If you can not do this how do you expect results when you have no consistency, without that how do you expect the dice to react the same?

I applaud you for trying to do it consistently the GTC Way!

Are your dice really going 100% straight down the table when they hit the wall or are they almost Straight? Sometimes these things that are off slightly will make a big difference—-even more difference then when they are way off. Also, wrist. Do you have the same wrist angle both up and down and right and left every time you are releasing the Dice? Are you flipping your Wrist? Not saying you are doing it wrong but you wanted suggestions on things to look at so those are two of mine.

Also, Bman’s suggestion on spot consistency was a good one to practice. Consistency is the name of the game. Also, you only took your first class a couple of months ago. Unless you are the Tiger Woods of dice it takes a LOT of practice to get it right and to get consistent. It is a Process! Also, sounds like you are pressing a little right now. Maybe take a week or a few days and don’t practice or play. Come back refreshed and hit it strong on the practice again.

Lastly, when you are ready take a Video with GTC. Those guys are amazing at spotting problems and giving you the info to fix them.

"brothelman" wrote: Can you throw fifty pair of dice and land 30 of them in a 4 inch pvc cap?

If you can not do this how do you expect results when you have no consistency, without that how do you expect the dice to react the same?

I cant answer that because I don’t have a pvc cap that I practice with at the moment, but I can get one if that is going to help change how the dice land and roll.

"getagrip" wrote: I applaud you for trying to do it consistently the GTC Way!

Are your dice really going 100% straight down the table when they hit the wall or are they almost Straight? Sometimes these things that are off slightly will make a big difference—-even more difference then when they are way off. Also, wrist. Do you have the same wrist angle both up and down and right and left every time you are releasing the Dice? Are you flipping your Wrist? Not saying you are doing it wrong but you wanted suggestions on things to look at so those are two of mine.

Also, Bman’s suggestion on spot consistency was a good one to practice. Consistency is the name of the game. Also, you only took your first class a couple of months ago. Unless you are the Tiger Woods of dice it takes a LOT of practice to get it right and to get consistent. It is a Process! Also, sounds like you are pressing a little right now. Maybe take a week or a few days and don’t practice or play. Come back refreshed and hit it strong on the practice again.

Lastly, when you are ready take a Video with GTC. Those guys are amazing at spotting problems and giving you the info to fix them.

I cant say every time I shot and hit the exact same spot. I can tell you that I have seen throws that look like they are Picture perfect and then they hit and its nothing but tears lol.

I’m not wrist flipping when I throw. I don’t video all my throws so I cant tell you if its 100% the same each and every time.
I’m pretty sure no one does everything’s 100% the same each and every time though. That’s just not humanly possible.
I have caught myself at times giving the side of the hand the hand that the thumb is on a bit of a dip compared to the other side, but I work on this. I wish there was some kind of brace I could wear when practicing so I could try to get use to it being a certain way haha.

I’m good with practicing to learn, but I’d like to know I’m getting somewhere and if not what do I need to change.
I hate the idea of practicing doing something incorrectly and training in a bad habit.
Ever since I really started getting rotations in and not air gliding as much things have just gotten so bad with short rolls. and this has started I would say about 2 weeks after class when I started really trying to make sure I was getting everything done how it should be.

I may need to practice less. Dom mentioned I could be practicing to much. I felt like I wasn’t at a place where I deserved a break so I try to toss these things as much as I can.

"EVOLVE" wrote: [quote="brothelman"]Can you throw fifty pair of dice and land 30 of them in a 4 inch pvc cap?

If you can not do this how do you expect results when you have no consistency, without that how do you expect the dice to react the same?

I cant answer that because I don’t have a pvc cap that I practice with at the moment, but I can get one if that is going to help change how the dice land and roll.

You just need a small something to act as a target. I use a salsa bowl that is 4.5 inch diameter. I put a couple handkerchiefs in the bottom so the dice don’t clank around.

You mist the whole point do your dice land in the same spot every time?

If they do not you do not have control, how can you have control in the dice are doing something different every time.

"brothelman" wrote: You mist the whole point do your dice land in the same spot every time?

If they do not you do not have control, how can you have control in the dice are doing something different every time.

I can tell you what I do when I practice. I have a small square taped off on my table right now. its the spot where the extra piece of wood that is under the practice rig is at. when I practice I aim for this area. it is bigger than a small bowl though.
I let my arm do the throwing and use my hand/fingers to guide to the target.
So yes most of the time they are hitting this area or just before the line where it begins.

Lets say I were to hit the same spot each time, how would that change how they land?
How can I be sure I’m landing flat and not on an edge of the dice?
How can I get them to continue to roll toward the back wall and not stop dead or hit and go in a different direction than the back wall?

Like I said in the original post from the video I recorded last night when slowed down and paused off and on I could see that the dice are rotating in unison, but once they land something bad is happening. I’m not sure what I can work on to fix that.
I may try to record another video of where they land and try to zoon in on that spot and to see exactly how they are hitting the table. Something isn’t right with the way they touch down.

Evolve,
how close to back wall are you landing the dice? You need to have enough speed in your swing to hit same spot consistently and then hit back wall, it’s better to hit back wall too hard then not hit at all. If your dice are splitting when they land or you have to worry what dealer is at the table because dice landed flat and didn’t make back wall you definitely don’t have enough velocity. (You need enough to land, hit back wall and die.) and remember above all, patience…

EVOLVE,

It sounds to me that you have rotation, but the dice are not rotating at the same speed. This causes one to stop and the other to hop to the wall. We call it the "Hop and Stop".
This will cause a lot of double pitch shots.

I would also guess that you have one or both dice with a wobble which causes one or both to hit the table and go sideways instead of straight to the back wall.

These are caused by either grip imbalance, or opening your hand instead of letting the dice come out and roll over the finger tips. Make sure your grip is very light and skin contact even on both dice with the thumb and middle finger.

NFF

Just try this put a piece of aluminum foil down in your landing zone if the dice are landing flat you will see straight lines if ;they are hitting a side you will see dots or poke marks in the foil lines are good poke marks are very bad.

What do you see?

so last night about an hour or two before I was going to leave to hit the casino I changed my grip a bit.
why I cant tell you. Just the thought of trying that came into my head. Anyway, the results were better.
I could still rotate the dice, but my fingers were down probably around 1/16th to 1/8th more than they were before.
First roll at the casino was pretty nice. I became a GOD. Hardway, hardway hardway, and do I need to tell you what came next? Who cares, I’m going to say it again……HARDWAY. so many hardways I thought they were going to escort me out. Drew a few pit bosses over. Now why the heck was I not betting these? Hit fire bets as well at times. Again, why did I not bet these? Because I only bet pass/come bets. So sad some times lol.

So did the grip fix it all? I don’t know. Maybe was just luck. If I need fingers higher to take things to the next level then I will deal with that the next time I take another class. Right now I would rather be winning and make enough to get to another class. changing grip for a while though seemed to make it easier for me to naturally get rotations on the dice. Lowered grip and still get rotations out now so Im gonna run with this for a bit.

I’m going to need this next week of practice to see how things progress. I hope they are positive, because I need some wins. things have been depressing and I want to make some coin so I can hit a couple more classes this year. I also noticed that the look of landings while practicing was better with the change. little more ease on the hit. Able to hit the wall after the land and stay within a few inches of each other a lot more.

I was betting pretty tame last night because I was scared so I didn’t make anything to brag about.
To be honest after the first roll, I had a few that were ugly ones right after, but I was taking it easy until I could see how things were going. I was actually down at one point betting on randoms here and there. I swear its a curse with me. 5 count and 2 rolls later bam I’m done. Even tried upping the count to like a 6 count and sometimes more and it didn’t help me. I think I was down a few hundred during part of the night. I started slowing things down and thinking over my steps when the dice would get to me.
one guy was taking a good minute to shoot just about when he would get dice to him and they were letting it go so I figured I could take a few more seconds and get away with it as well.

This week I will continue to practice with the changed grip. Thumb will still be lower down than the front fingers.
I will try and see if I can get a little small bowl/cup type of thing to aim and toss into as well.

almost forgot to mention that with the lowered grip I think there may be a bit more garbage numbers.
I need to do some tracking to confirm this though.

Have you tried tooth picks yet ?
Or the glued dice thing .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀