Below is a chart I made for myself some time ago. Looks like once I hit the preview on my typed post that the chart shows up differently than I originally typed. The columns that correspond with the numbers are Odds, Total Bet Amount, Win/Come Bet w Odds, Win Place Bet. I apologize and hope everyone can figure out the gist of it.
I always play in a 3X, 4X, 5X odds market. I was trying to evaluate these two types of bets since I never seem to do well with Come Bets. I really don’t see any reason for me to use Come Bets in the market I play in. If fact I can think of a few reasons to pick Place Bets over Come Bets although I don’t ever really think Come Bets are a bad bet.
Just putting this out for any one else who might be interested. Any discussion or comments on the good or bad of either bet is appreciated. Hopefully I am not stepping on anyone’s toes since I think GTC teaches Come Betting. Just interested in generating some thoughts on betting practices and the whys of each.
I will let a few people comment and I may add some more of my thoughts later but am on my way out right now.
Thanks everyone for any response and thoughts.
Come Bets vs. Place Bets Payments
Assume a $10 Table and Vig on win only for the 4 and 10.
4 and 10
Odds Total Bet Amount Win/Come Bet w Odds Win Place Bet
3X $40 $70 $80 (-vig)
4X $50 $90 $100 (-vig)
5X $60 $110 $120 (-vig)
6X $70 $130 $140 (-vig)
7X $80 $150 $160 (-vig)
8X $90 $170 $180 (-vig)
9X $100 $190 $200 (-vig)
10X $110 $210 $220 (-vig)
5 and 9
Odds Total Bet Amount Win/Come Bet w Odds Win Place Bet
4X $50 $70 $70
5X $60 $85 $84
6X $70 $100 $98
7X $80 $115 $112
8X $90 $130 $126
9X $100 $145 $140
10X $110 $160 $154
6 and 8 *
Odds Total Amount Bet Win/Come Bet w Odds Win Place Bet
5X $60 $70 $70
6X $70 (72) $82 $84
7X $80 (78) $94 $91
8X $90 $106 $105
9X $100 (102) $118 $119
10X $110 (108) $130 $126
*Place bets on the 6 & 8 must be multiples of $6. Number is parenthesis is Place Bet amount if different from Come Bet amount.
Replies:
Posted by: Berto on April 27, 2016, 1:09 pm
tags around your tables of numbers and you’ll get fixed-width fonts that will line ’em up.
Posted by: Finisher on April 28, 2016, 5:05 am
I hoped that bringing up the old posts would draw more to your post .
I hope to see more reply’s to this .
Will you guys be coming to Vegas soon ?
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂
Posted by: sevenout on May 10, 2016, 3:33 pm
Point 7 out sting just a little bit less with come bets. I lose my line bet/odds but get a consolation prize.
It gets me on the numbers I happen to be rolling that day. I have had many 10+ hands without a 6,8 or a winning pass line bet. That seems to happen more than going up on say 4 and 10, then not hitting either.
The math is still on my side when I start to spread out. With 6/8 start, when I spread to 5/9 or 4/10 (vig paid up front in my area 🙁 ), I am giving up more to the House.
There aren’t many things better than Off and On with Max odds.
Come out 7’s suck, but getting all those odds back feels like a payday.
Posted by: Finisher on March 16, 2017, 10:05 pm
Posted by: Cmcierra on March 17, 2017, 12:58 pm
Cmcierra
Posted by: Finisher on March 18, 2017, 1:14 am
Just was wondering .
GoodRolling. 😀 😀
Posted by: Cmcierra on March 18, 2017, 6:11 pm
Cmcierra
Posted by: Finisher on March 18, 2017, 10:13 pm
At 500.00 a unite what is your bye in ?
When I play I say up one unite and the dealers know how much that is .
Do they realise what your unite bet is ?
Good Rolling. 😀 😀
Posted by: SevenTimesSeven on March 19, 2017, 1:50 am
three times his buyin, meaning he won $1500.
He was confusing "buyin" with "unit" bets.
Posted by: Finisher on March 19, 2017, 6:47 am
I like the charts that Clll use to put up . Sure do miss them .
I would be happy with a win like that .
Good Rolling. 😀 😀
Posted by: Cmcierra on March 19, 2017, 2:55 pm
Cmcierra
Posted by: Finisher on March 20, 2017, 6:52 am
Seems like that was a good 3 session trip to me . 😀 😀
Good Rolling. 😀 😀
Posted by: Cmcierra on March 20, 2017, 11:58 am
Cmcierra
Posted by: Cmcierra on March 20, 2017, 11:59 am
Cmcierra
Posted by: Finisher on March 20, 2017, 5:00 pm
Good Rolling. 😀 😀
Posted by: Mr.PiP on March 20, 2017, 5:29 pm
Hope this helps. In class we are taught PL, Come, Come betting with max odds. I am the type of person that needs to see to believe so as part of my daily practice. I do a PL, Come, Come betting drill. I started out with a make believe bankroll of $3000 balance. I have performed 93 sessions without going bust. The last sessions were very profitable. Here is my betting process.
Here are my Simulation and betting rules I will follow when I go live play.
(I have to say I was surprised at the power of this betting over the long run as I use to do hedging of my pl and come bets and do other bad things…lol)
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The make-believe table is a $10 dollar Table with 5X odds
Notes :
a) During simulation I play with clay chips and a small rail so when I am in live play I just get into routine.
b) When I started my SRR was 6.00 and during the last sessions it has improved to around 6.30-6.53
1) I buy in with $600 per hand in a session
2) PL and Come bets with max odds.
3) After the 3rd hit I start covering a place bet on my 6/8 or both with $12
4) After the 5th hit of a max odds bet I go in with a 4th Come bet and reset the counter
5) I play only up to 10 hands per session
6) I stop the session if I am up with a 200 or more profit and the hand count is low. Or if I can not cover 3 bets
Note for: #3 for each hit I press $6 I start back to $12 when its not covered
Total Sessions: 93
Session Wins: 47
Session Losses: 46
Total Hands Played: 612
Total # Bets : 1836
Total Amt Winning Sessions: $18066
Total Amt of Losing Sessions: ($15458)
Profit to date : $2608
Starting Balance: $3000
Current Balance: $5608
– Mr. PiP
Posted by: Finisher on March 21, 2017, 5:24 am
Good Rolling.
