My understanding is that this betting method was refined and structured by one of the instructors: Skinny. It was initially written up extensively on an earlier iteration of this forum. When this new forum was set up not all the information transferred from the old board. This is the earliest thread on this board I could find that discusses it in detail.

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Welcome JimRy
When I first got on this board I went back and read all old posts . It took awhile but was worth it . THERE IS A LOT OF INFO HERE TO BE HAD .
The site has gotten a lot better in the past few years .But a lot of good info did get lost in the transformation .
Hope you enjoy this journey .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Jimry,

Glad you posted this on the board. The Big Skinny (TBS) is one of the best, if not the best, most thoroughly thought out method of betting with the lowest house edge going. T
Rose and Doc use it all the time. Yes we use a slight variation of TBS as it suits our risk tolerance and bank roll, but basically we find that it works for us. It may not suit the needs of other GTC players.

Welcome to the board and please make any question you might have on this forum. As you see, you will got a lot of input that will be of value to you and others.

Rose and Doc

JimRy,

Here are some other threads that have additional information about TBS.

http://www.goldentouchcasino.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9937

http://www.goldentouchcasino.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2789

http://www.goldentouchcasino.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9723&p=26917&hilit

All,
Thank you so much for this information. The links were very helpful. I am trying to identify my risk tolerance within TBS. I am thinking that I will take 2 hits before pressing to 4 numbers. Also since the local casino offers 10X odds I am thinking of using 4X as my base and then instead of placing numbers add more odds until the 10X is reached. Once I reach 10X on all 6 numbers then leave it and rack the winnings. What are your thoughts?
Also is there a point where you take down or lower odds to minimize the big hit to your winnings when the 7 shows up? In my max case above on a $5 minimum I would have $330 on the table which took a long time to reach. I have heard the term bet big, win big. I also believe it could be bet big, lose big. This $330 hit on a 7 would take a large bite out of the winnings. Some logic, advice, and wisdom from experience and lessons learned is what I am looking for.
Thank you.

I like the idea of using 4X as your base and waiting for 2 hits before spreading to 4 numbers. You can wait for another 2 hits to spread to 5 numbers and 2 more to spread to 6 numbers. I would not go to 10X odds until you have 8 hits in your rack. The reason being that the main idea behind TBS is that you do not want to increase your initial amount at risk until you have a profit that is at least equal to what you have on the table.

Your initial amount at risk is $75 with 3 numbers. 2 hits gives you between $58 and $90. So the 2 hits almost gives you back your initial amount at risk. Going to a 4th number keeps the amount you can lose below your initial amount at risk of $75. That will continue until you have 6 numbers on the table. You slowly increase your profit slightly before spreading to another number this way.

With 6 numbers you will have $150 at risk. 8 hits gives you between $232 and $360. Hopefully you will collect almost $300 so that you can lock up a profit of $150 before increasing your odds. At this point you have a profit that is equal to what you have on the table and you never put any of that profit at risk. You increase your odds with winnings from future hits until you get to 10X odds.

When you get 4 hits with 10X odds you should have a profit of at least $330 which is the amount you will have on the table. You never have to take down or lower your odds with TBS because you always have a profit that is at least equal to the amount you have on the table. The more you put on the table, the more you will have as a profit.

This is a key component to TBS. I hope you can understand how it works with the example I have given. Work it out with pencil and paper or on a computer spreadsheet to try different scenarios.

But with TBS as we are using it here you can never take a loss greater than $75 and when you seven out with a lot of money on the table that is a good thing because you will have at least that much profit in your rails. It is a good way to win big without risking big. Yes, you will be betting big on a long roll. But you will be doing it only after you have locked up a big profit.

An additional thought would be how to increase odds incrementally. After 8 total hits if you increase the odds from 4x to 6x to 8x to 10x, you will be locking up lots of profit before you get to 10x. Of course that increase would be individually as each number hits. If you are repeating the 8, that may be up to 10x odds but the 5 may still be at 4x.

Your psychological comfort level should determine your plateau. If you feel you have too much money on the table and you get distracted, your edge will rapidly diminish. As long as you feel you still have your edge don’t take money down. If you feel yourself getting out of your comfort level you can reduce your betting.

One way to reduce your betting would be to stop come betting and as the numbers hit put up a $20-30 place/buy bet. Of course if you really start feeling off you can also pull down all your odds.

Of course on the positive side, as your comfort level increases you can up the come bet from $5 to $!0.

Good luck…

and better skill to you.

Thank you Skinny and Chuckman.
I think there are many good points here. I like to work things out on paper as you suggested so that will be helpful. Another thought is that I am at the novice/beginner level at dice control. I expect myself to make 2-3 points and look for 10 plus rolls. A long roll of 25 plus would surprise me. So continuing big bets at this point may be outside my comfort zone. I will not know for sure until I try it. Then again I tend to get excited when I make a point or hit a hardways since I set for them. So this excitement may increase my comfort with bigger bets.
I find myself getting a little animated by clapping yelling or high fiving players on good rolls. Then if a 7 comes after a few good rolls I am not upset. However, if I 7-out in less than 5 rolls I get mad at myself for a short while because I feel I am better than that. Will these things effect my roll and betting?

JimRay I have tried the TBS in practice with not vary good results .I would try that first then ease into it at table . Every one is different tho .It is best to get some in rack before going up to soon .You will find that the more you trust your throw the more you will bet .This is a JOURNEY that you are on .
You may find that you may never get to all 6 numbers at max. odds .You may hit repeat numbers instead . Which is great .
Your plan sounds great hope it works out for you .Let us know how it works .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Hi JimRy. Welcome to the board. I don’t have too much to add but if you are comfortable with a little extra you might consider doing 5X odds rather than 4. I am sorry but I am writing this as I get ready to walk out the door to go to a college football game but when you look at the decrease in house edge with increasing odds, the biggest break comes when you go from single to double odds. The next big difference is at 5X odds then 10X odds.

Just to get the math a bit more on your side, you might consider doing 5X. My wife and I play a similar alteration to TBS as you mentioned. We stay with 1 PL and 2 CB with 5X odds until we hit twice then go up 1 CB with each new hit. Works very well for us.

Good luck and welcome to the family.

Dennis "jawbones"

Jawbones
I had considered this mainly for convenience. on a $5 table it is faster and easier to get 1 green chip for odds than it is to get 4 red chips. Lets face it locking up green chips feels better than locking up red ones. I feel that the less time you spend betting and thinking about betting during your roll the more time you have to focus on the roll. Just for those reasons I considered using 5X as a base. Adding in the math it may make more sense. I did not look at that. Thank you.

Finisher,
Thank you for your input. Since TBS has not worked well for you, what have you found in the initial risk of $75-90. I do see that several people have other ways to play. This information could be helpful in building a total game strategy. One thing I have learned is that every roll is different than the last or the next. So if the roll is off or feels bad there may be a different betting approach. Please share your thoughts.

Hi JimRay First I hope that your statement about every roll changes soon . Why I say this is I am hoping that your threw will show more repeaters then normal . 🙂 You are right on about one roll has nothing to do with the last one or the next one tho .
I am a LOW roller compared to some on this site .I start out with 6.00 on pass line with 1x odds most of the time . Bet the 6&8 for 6.00 each and one come bet .So right off the bat I am 1/3 of what you do .If you are wondering why 6.00 on pass line one is for dealers to add to later in roll with odds as I get hits . For I want them in the game with me .
After I have added full odds to their bet I will start adding to mine till at max. Then start to up a unite on my place bets . I prefer to leave up 3 bets for awhile . Maybe to long .If the come bet comes in I put it back up .If the come goes to a place bet then I will be down with 1 or 2 xs odds .This is on first roll .Things may change on lots of other things going on .How the dice look table conditions etc.
Bet big win big .Bet small last longer .
I have gotten were I only bet on rollers that I want to bet on and then usually place bets or one come bet .That alone has saved me .
May why is not the best but I love rolling the dice .I have seen thousands loose more then me over the last 40 years of rolling the bones .
You would think that after that many years I would have learned the best bets and win more . 🙂 🙂 But life does go on win or loose .
The dealers like it when you make a bet for them win or loose ,just keep that in mind . You do not have to put them up right away with full odds .That will put you in a bigger hole if you 7 nd. out right away .That is another reason I bet like I do .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Finisher you make a very valid point about putting the dealers in the game as well. I do what Dom taught at the course: place bet for $6 with $1 next to it for the dealers. When the pass line hits, I win $6 for the base bet and the single white chip wins $1. The dealers take the 2 white chips that was meant for them and I have 2 from my pass line bet to do it over again.

My wife and I do this for every PL bet we make. I haven’t quite figured out the best way to put an odds bet down for the dealers without digging too deep into my rack. So far, we don’t do the $6 bets as come bets cause I can’t quite figure out the best way to do that. Even without odds bets for the dealers, though, they still seem to appreciate the bets even though small and they recognize us when we go to our local casinos and greet us by name. Every now and then, one of them will say, "Here come the professionals. Welcome back!" and we all get a laugh out of it.

JawBones That one is easy .When you get a hit like a 6.00 place bet you will get paid 7.00 so I just put one up for odds for the dealers. Some times I forget and may add 2 on the next hit and some times I forget when they are at max. for the flat bet and have some dealers move it to the center of line on the pass line because it pays better for dealers .It is not happen vary often that I raise their flat bet but you can also do that in a long roll .
I find that they get into the game more doing it this way rather then just putting the money up right away .
When I leave and have won some I may put them on the line before I leave if I have a odd dollar amount .
Less comes out of my rack which is better .
Were I play we joke when all my white chips are gone and I have no more to bet for them . They are always asking for them so that they can pay you in red chips .And on the other side they don’t like giving green chips out .So when they give me my first green I will hold it up and say its about time have not seen one of these in a long time .LOL 😀 😀
By the time I get a green chip from I would have 2xs my bye in ,in red chips or more .I tell them that it is hard to get a green chip from them ( LOL )AND THEY SAY i JUST NEED TO BET MORE .LOL .
Some times when I am in a talkative mood I will say to the person next to me watch when I get the dice the whole mood at the table will change .It is strange how things work .They will say how is that ? I will say see how every body is into this game with high fives and talking .Well when I get the dice it will change .I think it just that there are not to many dice setters were I play .But it even happens in Vegas .
I think I need to start practicing again since I have a trip coming up and have been away from my table since Aug.8th .
I wonder what my first practice session will be like ?
I am going to try and get to the meet and greet but don’t know if can do that yet .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I should have said 7.00 on pass line making two bets one 6.00 for me and 1.00 bet for dealers .For total 24.00 .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂