Wow,
Is your shot that prcise and accurate?
My guess is that most of us are not that accurate, and not to worry.
7×7

While your guess might be right it is a reason you might not be getting the larger rolls others get.

Read the bottom of Finesse’s posts for his mantra/signature — if you are answering with that answer you obviously are not practicing enough.

All I have to do is take two days off before rolling and I can tell the difference.

I keep remembering a time when I had just started getting a bit more serious about improving my golf game. I was hitting out of a practice sand bunker and doing well. I said something about my luck getting better. A guy I had played with infrequently but who knew me for other reasons (who was constantly in the top 5 of the CT amateur when he did not win it) who was also practicing out of the bunker smiled at me and said, "Funny thing about that. It always seems the more you practice the luckier you seem to get."

Oh, if you did not notice that mantra of Mr. Finesse is:

Remember: Practice makes it happen!!!!!

Why would you want to shoot into a minefield of chips?

I would not play.

NFF

I think that MOST would agree that the minefield comes after we start our roll or during it .It just seems that there are crap players just hanging around till some one comes up to play . Some do not like being the only player at the table like a lot of GTC ers. DO .
You never started rolling with just one person at the other end to find after a few rolls there is no more room for another player to put in their chips a long with a lot of slow play ????
I have learned that you do not have to place a pass line bet on every player to win money . I just wished a few more players would think that way to make more room for the throw and just bet a little more on the numbers during a good roll . I think that would work out better for ALL .
Just my .01 worth .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Doc and Rose have discussed this and will share a few ideas.

At a crowded table with chips in the way Doc has a little bit of an advantage–he is tall, about 6 FT 3IN +a little–so he can lean way out over the table (by getting up on his toes) and usually find a spot where he can land the dice. Rose is shorter but this has helped her from time to time. Even those who are a little shorter leaning our will allow you a few more options. Now if there is an absolute mine field of chips with several players in the way, you may very well want to take NFF’s idea and not play at all. But if only one or maybe 2 players in your usual landing area, there is usually room to the left or right of the chips where you can still have a good shot and hit the flat part of the back wall. .

Secondly we have played at tables where there is a lot of room between the pass line and the back wall at the end of the table. You may be able to throw over the chips successfully. We have seen tables like this in the past.

Remember you should always have a second game you can play such as Black Jack with Speed Count, full pay video, and Pai ‘Gow Poker, until another table opens up or your position is available. BJ is our second game of choice. We usually play for very low stakes for a short period of time.

Remember target shooting is the name of the game so practice this at home by 1. throwing into a bowl, 2. placing a chip down and try and hit it every time with both dice, or 3. placing two short stacks of chips about 3=4 inches apart and throw the dice between them. Good target practice.

I can’t count the number of times that Rose and Doc had spend time in the casino coffee shop talking to friends or reading the newspaper until our spot opens and the situation is to your liking.

Dom always says "you know you are an advantage player after you drive 2 hours to your favorite casino, the situation is terrible, and your can walk away. " When you can do this you are not longer a gambler but an advantage player.

Rose and Doc

Plain and simple, I would not play.

Once drove 3 hours to my casino north of me, got there at 9 am, didn’t get a spot until after noon, didn’t like the environment and left at 12:30, drove 3 hours and went home.

Total driving time – 6 hours. Total play time 30 minutes.

Matt / Sandman…

All the responses are completely accurate. Unless you are in the middle of a roll when this happens, why give up the edge you have. Turn around and go play blackjack. I remember Matt calling me on the phone while driving home and her was annoyed but he did in fact leave. Thats what separates us from the gamblers. We are ADVANTAGE PLAYERS and therefore need to play like one.

Midnight

Wow …. great question and great responses to the question ….. NF5 is right and this can happen even before you start your roll. Sometimes, the table only has 2 people and you step up to it and then all of a sudden the table is full and you can see that everyone is making a passline bet and it is right where you throw. Do the NF5 rule ….. pick up your chips and don’t play!

Now if this happens during a long roll that you have, well you till got the dice and now you have to make good. Now you do the Doc and Rose’s rule … land your chips over the stack or to the right or left. If it is bothering you, reduce your bets, but you still have the dice so you have to shoot.

It is right that the dice are coming in on a angle and the shoot is not perfect, but you have to make do if you are in the middle of your roll.

What 7X7 said about practicing with chips in the way, goes to what my other instructors said about becoming a target shooter. This sort of stuff is going to happen and the best of us, practice for these situations

Dominator

Copied from GetaGrip;

I think the questions here that can be answered is HOW to make adjustments properly to become a target shooter. How do the instructors and long time GTC shooters make those adjustments? First,what are the top choices to go to if your landing spot is filled? Over the top and behind? In front? Left or right? Then how to accomplish that? For a tall shooter or for an average to short shooter? Any set changes due to these adjustments and what about the dice landing on a slight angle now? Don’t worry about it or make some other adjustment to compensate?

I think we would like a peek into the mental and physical process that is involved. Hope we can get some insight into the choices and the mind decisions for physical adjustments if this happens to us.

going left or right or over the top can only be decided at that particular table and your attributes. Like Doc said, he is tall so he can lean over more than me so his first thought might be to go to the left or right of the dice, depending on which spot has the more room. For me, I might decide to go over the top if there is enough space with odds bets and the distance from the back wall to the odds bet.

From the mental side, once I decide where to land my dice, I don’t think about it any more. I just throw with the "Empty Mind" that I talk about in class.

Again it goes back to your practice and to practice for these things to happen.

Dominator

I became tired of throwing in the bowl all the time, in practice. I now throw 20 sets of dice, as they become spread out/concentrated at the end of the table,I have to concentrate on the spot left open between the dice, over the dice, whatever the spot is, reach out over the table throw, at an angle. I really enjoy this practice and have Chance C doing it also. It also gives me confidence that no matter what I encounter at the table I can hit the spot I want to.

"TommyC" wrote: I became tired of throwing in the bowl all the time, in practice. I now throw 20 sets of dice, as they become spread out/concentrated at the end of the table,I have to concentrate on the spot left open between the dice, over the dice, whatever the spot is, reach out over the table throw, at an angle. I really enjoy this practice and have Chance C doing it also. It also gives me confidence that no matter what I encounter at the table I can hit the spot I want to.

Great idea!

Dom

Dom I tried to read what Nfield 5 wrote but did not see it in this post . Is it in a different post?
All I saw was his post saying .Why would you want to throw into a mine field ?
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Re: What do you do if your table is not open or cannot get to your spot?

Postby NofieldFive » Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:34 am
Why would you want to shoot into a minefield of chips?

I would not play.

NFF

His would not play is what I am referring to.

Even tho I do not get to the casinos much in the 40 years of playing have never seen a player pass the dice for this reason . I have seen them pass because they threw to many crap numbers . Also seen DP that threw to many numbers and passed the dice .Also saw a player that was on a great roll that he gave up for a bath room call .
But never say never . I have not seen a person in a roll that took down his odds and left the table just because his landing zone was taken up with bets .Have seen were they say bets off and still roll till the 7 comes and then leave .
I just try to adjust a little and try not to let it bother me .
I posted on other post about this same thing happening last trip .I had all come bets on so did not take them down .
Some tables leave little room between the pass line and wall when you count the odds behind .Also if there are bets up on pass line for dealers it makes for more of a problem .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

We were in AC this past week, and at one point Sandtrap says to me, "Look at that mine field in my landing zone." "What mine field," I asked. "There is plenty of room behind the chips." Instead of his usual low throw, he lofted the dice gently over the chips, and wound up with a very nice roll.

If there had truly been a mine field, we wouldn’t have thrown.

Goddess

Goddess—great solution and great results. Chips in the landing zone are not always the problem we think they are. As you and Sandtrap show think positive.

Rose and Doc

Great topic. I think we have all run into this situation which makes this topic very timely. I do what NFF suggests I don’t play. The way I implement that is this. If I can’t get my spot, SL1, I will do what was suggested above. I will look for a low limit BJ table, Pai Gow table or Baccrat table with a view of the craps pit if possible. If I get my spot and I see a "minefield". On my first time with the dice I will make a pass-line bet only and start trying to find a spot on the table where I can get a clear path to the back wall. If I can’t find that spot I may pass the dice for a few rounds to see if the table clears out so I can throw. I am short so I can’t really lean out much further than I do. I guess what it comes down to is if my spot isn’t clear and open I don’t throw.

Professor,

I try and adjust left or right. Seems now many players know me where I throw and some that are regulars will ask people to move their chips for me. That is nice and no prompting
from me. Even some of the dealers where I play will tell them to move the chips. I think the dealers do it because I tip regularly. Pays off! Once a don’t player stacked up his chips 5" high. During the roll one dice landed on top and stayed, I made my point on that one and he went to the passline. I had a 60 and he made a few bucks after a big loss.

Now to your other question of the angle. Sometimes I will twist the dice so the dice closest to the boxman is just slightly closer to the wall. Seems to work for me. My twist
is not more than 1/8" and even a little less depending on how far right I am throwing. Try it in practice BEFORE you try it in a casino.

Good rolling

OMC

"OneMoonCircles" wrote: Professor,

I try and adjust left or right. Seems now many players know me where I throw and some that are regulars will ask people to move their chips for me. That is nice and no prompting
from me. Even some of the dealers where I play will tell them to move the chips. I think the dealers do it because I tip regularly. Pays off! Once a don’t player stacked up his chips 5" high. During the roll one dice landed on top and stayed, I made my point on that one and he went to the passline. I had a 60 and he made a few bucks after a big loss.

Now to your other question of the angle. Sometimes I will twist the dice so the dice closest to the boxman is just slightly closer to the wall. Seems to work for me. My twist
is not more than 1/8" and even a little less depending on how far right I am throwing. Try it in practice BEFORE you try it in a casino.

Good rolling

OMC

OK, I got to get into this conversation about twisting the dice and everything.

I have never twisted, changed the angle of the dice, or anything like that in the 20 some years I have been doing this. My instructors that have changed have made these changes over their 20+ years of doing this. I just can’t in honesty say to any 1 – 5 year GTC student to change their angle just because their spot has chips on it and their shoot has to be thrown more on a angle because the have a greater angle into the wall.

Many of you know that I am right handed, but shoot from the right side many times. From the right side for a right hander the shoot has to be more on an angle to the back wall …. you just can’t get over the rail enough. With the logic that has been discussed on this post, I should angle my dice for this …… I DO NOT …… my shoot to the back wall is on an angle but my dice are still square with all four sides of the table.

if I can’t get around the chips that are in my way, I do the NF5 thing …… I DON"T PLAY!

Take it for what is worth

Dominator

Dom,
OK, I have to ask because I want to know if my thinking is faulty or good and if I should quit practicing this immediately and use something else. I toss left handed from SR1. I usually have my shoulders square but slightly open. If I change my shoulder angle very slightly ( by turning at the waist slightly) then my dice will follow my front shoulder–whatever it is doing. Should I use this slight adjustment to toss to a new spot if I need to? It seems that if I just eyeball and toss to a slightly different spot without this adjustment that my hand is just not level upon release. But maybe I am doing the wrong thing to get the slight correction I need? Instructors—I need you and dang I wish I could be in Las Vegas for this class. Maybe you can just head me in the right direction on this? Thanks!

"getagrip" wrote: Dom,
OK, I have to ask because I want to know if my thinking is faulty or good and if I should quit practicing this immediately and use something else. I toss left handed from SR1. I usually have my shoulders square but slightly open. If I change my shoulder angle very slightly ( by turning at the waist slightly) then my dice will follow my front shoulder–whatever it is doing. Should I use this slight adjustment to toss to a new spot if I need to? It seems that if I just eyeball and toss to a slightly different spot without this adjustment that my hand is just not level upon release. But maybe I am doing the wrong thing to get the slight correction I need? Instructors—I need you and dang I wish I could be in Las Vegas for this class. Maybe you can just head me in the right direction on this? Thanks!

What I am really talking about is angling the dice. I really don’t like the fact that you are squaring your shoulders, but maybe I can live with it …..if I could only see you and you could make this class or another 🙂

So in short I am going to say yes to your question with an asterisk 🙂

Dom

Thanks!

I will go with this method for now in practice and see how it works out over a few months time. Thanks for the input and I hope to give a thumbs up soon to another USA trip and a GTC open house and class! 🙂