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I shot dice with BMAN last year in vegas for about a hour,he ask me if I shot from sl1 or sr1 i said both sides.He made the comment you should have only one favorite shot.He is cool dude and we just met their no way I could change his mind .How many times have I been at a table where one side or the other spot was occupied.I say practice from both sides.Thanks GTC it great to be part of top 20%.Give me some info


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Posted by: Dominator on March 5, 2015, 10:45 pm

I always have said that there haven’t been many great switch hitters in baseball. It amazes me how some baseball players hit so much better from one side of the plate versus the other side of the plate. The same is true with what we do.

There are a couple of things in your comments like SL is not open but SR is so I am going to play. I can’t tell you hope many times that has happened to the really great advantage throwers in GTC and they WILL NOT PLAY.

I am not saying that you shouldn’t at sometime maybe practice from your normal position, but make sure you have an edge from the other side. The thing is that you will be better from your normal position and the time that you might take in practicing from the other position would be better spent in more practice at your preferred position.

As in baseball there are very few of us that have any kind of an edge from both positions and if they have an edge from both positions, their edge is greater from their #1 position

Dominator

Posted by: TheLion on March 6, 2015, 2:20 am

Dom — check out this link (it’s from 3/2/2012)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1086 … f-all-time

As Reds fan, I’ll always be partial to Pete Rose

Posted by: TheLion on March 6, 2015, 2:24 am

And I remember Roberto Alomar — one of the most talented players I’ve ever seen play

It’s too bad he’ll be remembered for that "spitting" incident

Posted by: Mr Finesse on March 6, 2015, 3:02 am

I think I can not use all of the fingers on 1 hand if I was counting how many times I threw from the right side.
I am ok from the right side because I do practice from the right but I am much better from the left which I prefer.

Posted by: Finisher on March 6, 2015, 4:07 am

So if you are new to this what decides which one ?
If you have been rolling for years but just from end of table were there is no side .
I practice from SL1 but seem to throw softer from SR 1 .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Posted by: OneMoonCircles on March 6, 2015, 7:49 am

What decided it for me was a trial. I am right handed and started there. Goldfinger was throwing left handed but was right handed because his son only throws from the left and so does my son. I bat, play golf and cards left handed (there are very few left handed card players, even lefties play right handed).
I am 30% better throwing left handed, I am much more comfortable too. I give up too much to throw right handed.

OMC

Posted by: Dominator on March 6, 2015, 5:42 pm

"OneMoonCircles" wrote: What decided it for me was a trial. I am right handed and started there. Goldfinger was throwing left handed but was right handed because his son only throws from the left and so does my son. I bat, play golf and cards left handed (there are very few left handed card players, even lefties play right handed).
I am 30% better throwing left handed, I am much more comfortable too. I give up too much to throw right handed.

OMC

Throwing with your left hand if you are right handed is kind of different from my first post. If you do things left handed then practicing with the left and right hand is not a problem IMHO. It becomes a problem if a right handed player practices from both sides. Again that additional time should be spent on your dominate hand.

The thing is the math doesn’t lie, use Smart Craps or do your own SRR and see if you have an edge and what the difference is. I think you will see a big difference. Do the math!

Dominator

Posted by: Goldfinger on March 6, 2015, 7:13 pm

I’m a switch hitter. I can throw from either side of the stick man. But I’m not a very good one.
After practicing for years from both sides my chip racks told The tale. Stick right kept putting chips back to the bank while stick left kept buying in. All of my big hands came from stick right. When I was having trouble with my throw,I would go back to stick left instead of trying to figure out what was wrong with my toss. I have been at stick right now for 3+ years and that’s where I’m staying.

My playing partner Lefty was in Palm Springs for January and February. I always let him have stick right one because he’s old and decrepid. While he was gone I moved in to stick right one. I really like it. My results were improved.

He’s back and we went up yesterday. I gave in and let him have stick right one thinking he wouldn’t be able to reach the back wall. Well. His second time with the dice he throws 34 times makes a small tall and all and the five-point sharpshooter. I’m glad to have him back.

Goldfinger

Posted by: brothelman on March 7, 2015, 6:03 am

Have you mastered the one hand yet can you put the dice in a 4 inch bowl 75% of the time?

I have a great shot from the left I am right handed but i refuse to use it,y go figure.

Posted by: getagrip on March 7, 2015, 3:12 pm

BMan,
OK, I’ll bite! 😀

Why don’t you shoot from the left sometimes if you have a great shot from there? I would bet that you can put the dice into a 4 inch bowl more than 75% of the time from the right. Can you do that from the left also? Is that fact alone why you don’t shoot from the left? Not saying you should shoot from the left as you know your shot better than most know there’s. Just curious as to the reasoning and looking to pick up more knowledge. Thanks!

Posted by: The WoW Man on March 7, 2015, 3:45 pm

getagrip,
When BMan gets back to you with his answer, let me know.
Oh, wait a minute. I can just check the message board. :mrgreen:

Knowledge is a wonderful thing.
Hi BMan!

Catch you later!

Posted by: Finisher on March 7, 2015, 7:57 pm

Bman wrote I have a great shot from left I am right handed but I refuse to use it y go figure .
So do you use your right hand or left when you shoot .I thought I saw you use your right hand . But I am not a great observer with things like that . But you do have a great shoot . Just need a little more control but not with the dice . You can not control all that takes place with the others that don’t have the knowledge that you do about the game .
I find that some are more interested in throwing the dice then when to bye in or other things that are taught in class .
I do think that after meeting and playing with you they all come away with using the rules more then you think .It is still hard to just stand there at times when others are byeing in not to .
Just thought I would ask about if you use your right hand or left .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Posted by: The Breeze on March 7, 2015, 11:54 pm

A huge part of this game is mental and if you don’t have a mental block about which direction you roll and if you practice SL1 and SR1 and have good results both ways go for it. We are not all clones and all of our brains don’t work exactly alike. We use the term muscle memory to describe how our brains remember how our muscles are supposed to work in a orchestrated fashion when we do specific tasks. The brain part is the biggest component of muscle memory. You may also want to consider if you have a predominate eye which is the reason you find right handed people shooting a gun left handed or doing other tasks opposite to what they expected to use and doing it well.

Posted by: brothelman on March 8, 2015, 12:53 am

Because I am there to win.

When I practice two different things on takes away from the other.

I am using a right and a left hand each of them having there own muscle memory and one still affects the other.

Most of you are trying to teach yourself two different shots with one hand how can that not affect the shot. Even people who can write with both hands have one that is better.

Goldfinger says it best on makes money,

You wanna have fun lets go eat steak and sushi enjoy great a conversation, and company of friends, laff and giggle the night away, but the table is all about business.

Swicht hitters are one thing I no of no modern day pitchers throwing from both sides of the mound, so if you want to make the majors perfect one.

There is one exception to this if you shoot with different people and the group you are going with needs a righty then practice that side and only that side if they need you at lefty on the trip then practice only the left but master the one you need.

Posted by: The Breeze on March 8, 2015, 4:37 pm

The pitcher analogy is an interesting one as it would suggest that the best baseball pitcher is the one that has only one pitch and as a result would win more games? If the numbers between SL1 and SR1 are within one standard deviation and considering an SSR of anything better than 7 constitutes and edge I don’t see that the pitcher that can throw a curve and a fastball is going to be the loser.

Go for it if the numbers work.

Posted by: getagrip on March 8, 2015, 5:26 pm

It would seem to me that we are maybe discussing two different things here? To use the baseball pitcher analogy once again.

A pitcher with different pitches might equal a DI making slight changes to his shot for different table characteristics such as landing spot or degree of arc. Like using different pitches because some hitters can hit a fastball inside and some can hit a curveball. You would use your best pitch for that batter/table.

Totally switching to using the other hand to throw the pitch is something else, no matter which pitch it is that is being thrown. Most people just couldn’t do that or do it very well.

I do agree that if you have kept long term stats and the stats show right and left handed to be extremely similar in edge then you are one that could go left or right. Probably most people would not fall into that category though.

Just food for thought and strictly my opinion.

Posted by: brothelman on March 9, 2015, 4:36 am

Way to go reg you see the picture but you always have.

Nice to hear from you.

Hi Mr. wow man how is the game treating you and then there is practice hope all is great.

Mr breeze follow your instincts, why defend something if it is so right.

Now is a shot with an srr of 7 an advantage shot or is it one with a small house edge?

How much better would the one hand be if you just put all the time into it?

Yes with only one hand you would not get to shot as much, but are you there to shot or to maximize profits?

Posted by: TommyC on March 9, 2015, 5:19 pm

During my primer class I said to Dom, I want to be good from both sides. He said just work on being good from 1 side now. I’m still working on that!

Posted by: brothelman on March 9, 2015, 5:25 pm

Now there is a answer from a ten per center……………………

I always love playing with any of that clan.

Now lets talk about the fun going to dinner with any of this clan from his brother in law to his sister and yes tommy to is a blast the stories.

Posted by: brothelman on March 9, 2015, 5:33 pm

This reminded me of a time in tunica when I was playing with jimmy the wrench and tooter at sams town about 5 am we where walking out tooter goes to jimmy do you have the sailboats and duckies on, I go what tooter goes jimmies wife bought him boxer shorts with duckies and sailboats on jimmy thought they where lucky, the next thing you no jimmy pants are down to his knees and sure enough there are the duckies yes just outside the front door of samstown.

One of the funniest things you ever saw a grown man pulling his pants down to show of his duckies, lmao.

Posted by: Dominator on March 14, 2015, 2:26 pm

"brothelman" wrote: Now there is a answer from a ten per center……………………

I always love playing with any of that clan.

Now lets talk about the fun going to dinner with any of this clan from his brother in law to his sister and yes tommy to is a blast the stories.

You know the man is married because he is a good listener 🙂

Can’t wait to see you in Memphis Tommy!

Dom

Posted by: TommyC on March 17, 2015, 2:49 am

Several times in fact. 😆 😆 😆