Ideally you want to target a landing zone approximately 3"-6" from the back wall. You want to throw the dice on a path that is parallel to the sides, straight towards the back wall so that they hit the straight part of the back wall. If throwing them straight down the line would cause them to hit the curved part (mixing bowl) you may have to reach out a bit more to be able to throw them to the straight part of the back wall.

But the landing zone depends on the reaction you get once they hit the table which is why I said ideally 3"-6". You want to be able to get the dice to gently kiss the back wall and die very close to the back wall after hitting it. You need to adjust your landing area accordingly to get that reaction.

It is also better if the dice hit the back wall as they are descending rather than ascending. You will need to adjust your landing zone accordingly to accomplish that.

during the release you should feel the dice pulling out of your hands, you should not be opening your hand and releasing them.

You can change the arc by taking your front shoulder and pointing it down or up to change the arc.

Thanks for the replies.

Shinny what influences or should I say how do you influence the dice to be desending into the back wall verses asending? Especially when you get to the point three inches off of the back wall. Seems like my dice are most often rising off of the table into the back wall and when they do they respond much differently.

You can try coming in with a higher arc. You might need more rotation on the dice to generate greater braking action or you may have to land further away from the back wall. You need to learn to throw them with the least amount of force required to get them to reach the back wall. A soft, gentle toss with backspin that barely hits the back wall is what one desires.

Thanks Skinny I will give it a try and post how I improve toward this goal. Also thanks to Bman for shoulder tilt.

Breeze How has this worked for you ?
Since my throws are not hitting the wall on the decent either .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

You hear so much about where to throw the dice, I think it varies with every table.
Some tables I go down the line depending on how far out the mixing bowl reaches, Some
tables I cant reach far enough out to miss the edge of the mixing bow area so I throw into the
middle of the opposite mixing bowl.

At least for me, I need to see where my dice react the best, when I have that I aim at a
very small area there.

At home on my table I have a small 2.5 inch circle I place where ever my landing zone
should be. I not only record the outcome of my rolls, but did I hit the circle. You will find
many times your 7’s are when you missed the circle. You need to be able to hit that circle
from any place you throw from.

Selecting that spot on the table where you are effective, then hitting that spot helps you
repeat numbers, and makes you money.

gman

On my last trip I noticed that right in the middle of the table the pyramids were not straight . It was not flat . It had a hump right in the middle of table . So if you threw there they would split the dice in different directions .We all need to look more closely at the tables .I don’t know if it was bad craftsman ship or do to the casino likes .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

"The Breeze" wrote: Thanks Skinny I will give it a try and post how I improve toward this goal. Also thanks to Bman for shoulder tilt.

So Breeze, I for one am very, very interested in your coming post on
how you did with that task, with the results.
My guess is that you are very frustrated in your efforts so far.
Or is it a work in progress? Should I hold my breath?

My favorite place to play here is the one I have the most trouble with. I will get "hot" and have 2 or 3 weeks of great rolls and making money. Then back to I can’t make a $1 for 4 to 6 months. It has all to do with the arc and landing. This table is very close to mine at home but the frustration is maddening. It takes a different throw from every other table here. Most are a little bouncy but this one is rock hard. In 2014 I had about 6 nights winning and 40 losing, I came out near even.

I have stopped playing every week there and only on the first of the month now. If I win I will go back the next week, I won’t be going there now until
February.

I have tried more arc, more and less spin, softer, harder, a dozen landing spots. Nothing works then everything works. The table has a long mixing bowl
that extends to the top of the line between the don’t pass and the field. A lot of tables here are like that.

On my home table I have a Simonis like cloth. That is the cloth on most professional billiard tables, it is slick and fast and has a hard surface. I have a
6" x 5" piece of wool billiard cloth as a landing zone target and to protect the cloth as the dice have pitted it underneath due to 100,000 plus throws there.
I have been having trouble finding the manufacturer of the table to get another layout. Maybe I will try removing the extra cloth to practice and see if that
makes a difference up the hill.

I believe the landing zone on this table is harder to define, or at least for me. Butch and Lefty do very well on it so it must just be me. Even with all the problems with this table it is still my favorite place to play but it is time to start taking their money instead of breaking even.

OMC

Based on recent winnings and how well my results have been at home and in Laughlin I would say my throw has improved considerably and am looking forward to upcoming trip to Vegas and Albuquerque to put more money into the 401G.

OMC, I know exactly what you are going through as I did the same over a couple of years. I then decided that if I was on a casino table and my results weren’t good I would limit the changes so not to distort my throw too much. After a small change I give myself more throws to evaluate if the change was effective and may even go back to what I was initially doing to evaluate the improvement. I used to keep trying changes and more changes and things seemed to fall apart along with my confidence. Hope that helps.

When is your next trip to Vegas ?
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

One place in in AC uses a "certain" color dice that if you throw the dice at a 45 degree arc and land them 6 inches from the wall, they will NEVER EVER come close to hitting the wall

In fact, the dice may bounce 6 inches straight into the air and come straight back down and never even sniff the back wall

And, most likely, you’ll see a "6-1" or some form of craps or even a "Yo"

Unbelievably challenging

Lion next time you are there with that certain dice just play the doey don’t for a little while and set all 7s or 6s on top with the 5s facing you for FUN .I would like to know how that works . You should loose vary little but get lots of comments .Just one turn of dice and see if you can get passed the 5 count .
I suppose that it is not a 7 they tell you that you need to hit the back wall .
It is their game and they make the rules as they go some times .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Yes — that’s what I do

I grind it out all day — and hope to pull out a win

Last week, 2 random shooters had great rolls — a "5.5" fire and a "4.5" fire hit — i had $5 on the fire for each cf-ers and i did big lay bets on the DP to hedge/win when they seven’d out

Grinded out a $1,500 win that day, solely because of the lay bets

In LV, I had some big rolls (see Chevy’s post) and other GTC folks did well in LV — In AC, we struggled, but the CF-ers did well — the exact opposite of LV

Lion Do you start your lay bets on 4 point or 5th or 6th ?
When you roll do you do it different ?
I can see doing it on the last point needed but just seems like a waste before that .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I lay the 4th, 5th, and 6th

During the last Vegas trip, before the Princess hit her 2 four-point fires and a few days before my 6-pointer on 6/13 & 5-pointer on 6/15……

….there were 9 chances to hit the 4th point (4 point fire) as the number to hit was "set up" …..Depending on the shooter (us or a CF-er) I had either $5 or $10 bet on the fire so that is $125/250 if the 4th point hits …..and I lay $60/90 against the point to "guarantee" a win of some sort —- out of 9 chances, only ONE hit on the 4th point. So, that means I won the lay bet 8 times out of nine (so, I was winning $30/$45 on the "4 or 10" ….$45/$60 on the "5 or 9" and $50/$75 on the "6 or 8" (the difference in the lay bet win is that for a $5 fire bet, I lay $60 against the 4th point ……on a $10 fire bet, I lay $90 against the 4th point

I go up on my don’t pass/odds lay if the 5th or 6th point is set-up

So, doing the math, only 11.1% (1 out of 9) of the fire bet chances HIT. The Princess and I are collecting $$$ on the lays, and everyone else missed on the fire bet win and they watch us collect $$$$. Some of our friends have adopted the strategy and now they are collecting $$$ after the 7-out

Well come to think about this that the longer you have to wait to win that lay bet which ever it is you are making money for rolls on other numbers that you are on . I think by this time in the roll you should be on more then 3 numbers .
That was a great win and a long time to spend in Vegas .
Glad that you ALL had a great time .
The Practice Paid off .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Repo I bumbed this back up for you .
Good Rolling. 😀 🙂