Dividing the numbers of shooters by number of rolls ????
Upps number of rolls by number of shooters ???

"Finisher" wrote: Dividing the numbers of shooters by number of rolls ????
Upps number of rolls by number of shooters ???

I don’t record come out rolls because I use a 3-v set for those.

Therefore all recorded sevens will be seven-outs. Example 180 rolls over 30 shooters means my SRR will be 6.00 because I only rolled 30 sevens that were not on the come out roll.

I don’t record come out rolls because I use a 3-v set for those.

So how is that different from those that use the Hardway set. You rolled a 7 regardless of where it came in the roll. 59 numbers, the 8 "Come out 7’s and your final 7out for a total of 68. Divided by the "8" 7’s is an SRR just over 7, nothing to complain about. So whether you mind or not that’s how I’ll count it.

When I first started the advice I was given was record all hardway set rolls becasue that’s what smartcraps uses and it’s the most forgiving of the sets. You can only seven-out on a hard way set roll if you double pitch or double yaw. An off axis throw short of a double yaw (single yaw) won’t hurt you.

On the comeout roll I don’t mind a seven, so I use a 3-v set to increase my chances of rolling an inside number for a point at the expense of increased risk of a seven. I consider this a special case. Rarely I’ll use a 2-v set to get an outside number for a point to complete a fire bet.

For statistical purposes I only record point cycle rolls because the vast majority of the time will be in a point cycle.

The bottom line is: I’m interested in my SRR on the point cycle rolls because that’s where the money is won or lost.

Rfink, is correct in my humble opinion in that in figuring your SRR or recording for Smart Craps you want to use only a hard way set. Any other set should not be counted. This will give you the best results to determine your edge in the casino—or if you even have an advantage.

We personally do not set for a seven on the come out as winning $5 or $10 if a 7 or 11 occurs is not much. We know we have the 2 to 1 advantage on that one roll. We want to set a number where we can (1) take odds and bring down the house edge on the pass line bet, and (2) make more money because we have the odds which have no house vig.

There are others who set for the 7 on all come out rolls. As a courtesy to other players who may be come betting, we don’t set for the seven on a come out roll during out turn with the dice. With a 7 on a come out roll, all the base come bets are lost and odds returned. Now a come better has to set up all of the numbers again through the come line. We know you can place the numbers that came down, but the out side numbers–especially the 5 and 9–have high house vigs.

Just a few comments from the peanut gallery.

Rose and Doc

I thought that shooters were other players rolling the dice at a table .
The smart craps does use hard ways sets . Some one said that you also need to use the same set .
I divide my rolls by the number of 7s I roll in that roll and not just the point cycle . You could have made more then one point in a roll .Also keep track of come out 7s because have throw more then one in a long roll . I don’t set for them but they some times appear .
I start with first roll whither it is a 7 or crap number . I count till 7 out then start over .
Rfink13 What would your SRR for a roll that went like this ? 11,7,11,6,5,4,6,7,11,8,5,9,8,7,10,5,4,3,10,7,8,6,7.
My best roll in PRACTICE is 71 which I did not pass smart craps with . I came close but not good enough .
I feel that some times luck is working when the 7 comes out and it is on a come out roll .
I hope your rolls get longer and longer even with a few come out 7s .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

I saw the funniest thing the other night they took the pitcher out of baseball and let the hitter just throw up the ball, amazing he hit a homerun almost every time, didn’t make it right or wrong, and for sure it was not baseball, but it was fun.

lmao

SRR 7s to roll ratio

Damn, your killing me here B ………. ROFLMAO ……….. 7 to roll ratio (SRR)…….. who would have thought. Plain as the nose on my face.

Dr Crapology,

I have three reasons for using the 3-v set on comeouts.

1) In my experience using the hard way set on the comeout I get too many 4/10s for points. I noticed that when I use the 3-v set I get more inside numbers for my points (and way more 7s). I don’t try to get the seven, it just happens and when it does I win and I get more passes when I shoot.

2) I use the 3-v on the come out becasue when I use the hardway set I record the roll, and I didn’t like the idea of a winning roll (come out 7) counting against me on my stats.

3) The most money is won and lost on the point cycle so I wanted my stats to reflect just the point cycle and not be pollluted with come out rolls.

This is my personal preference and I’m not trying to push it on anyone.

I don’t understand why you do not want to get a 4 or 10 as your point?

I prefer it because it usually takes me longer to make my point if it is a 4 or 10. Then I am able to get into a rhythm and roll longer during the point cycle. Making your point slows the game down and changes the rhythm of the roll because the dealers have to pay off all the line bets and you have to start over again establishing a new point. Then when you establish that point you have to wait again while everyone makes a bunch of new wagers.

I would rather just keep rolling without making my point and that happens more often if I have a point of 4 or 10. For us it is more about rolling numbers than making points.

Skinny, we could not have said it better. Guess many people want to hit the fire bet with its "somewhere near 25% house vig.

Rose and Doc

Skinny is king.

lets see would I rather collect a 5 dollar seven on the come out and have the rhythm of the game changed while making points, or would it be better to take 14 dollars on a 12 dollar six or eight.

The fact is, we all drink different kinds of kool aid at lunch, not all served by GTC!

On the come out you don’t make 14 unless they are working or they are different come bets then normal . I think if you roll your come bet on come out it wins for flat portion .
So are you saying that you have your 6 and 8 bet working on come out rolls which think would bring more attention to you as if you don’t already get a lot with those shoes .
Hope your family enjoyed the 4th .
We are heading for Europe this 13th for about 3 weeks NO Casinos till we get back .
Have no plans for Vegas the rest of this year but need to make one trip to Laughlin.
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂

Finisher, you misunderstood what he was saying.

He does not want to make his point. If he does not make his point he can collect $14 on a place bet on the 6 or 8 because he is NOT on a come out roll.

But if he makes his point all he can win is $5 on his pass line bet if he throws a seven on his come out roll.

In other words, he can make more money in the point cycle by throwing numbers rather than trying for sevens on the come out roll after he makes his point.

Skinny I am sure that if he was in a come out roll and rolled 2 ,3 or more 7s or 11s he it would not bother him at all . I like long rolls but if that does not happen I am not going to have my 6 and 8 working in hopes that on the come out I will make 7.00. Maybe I am not as good as some on this site in rolls because it seems that some times the point cycle comes sooner then I like but I am still happen with a small win of 5.00 on a 7 or 11 and even if it happens more then one time .
That can be a good time to relax a little and enjoy your wins .

A past post I wrote about my come betting time shows that I do not set for 7s on come outs but they do come even if you don’t want them some times .
I think I made 5 or 6 point cycles in the roll with 4 or 5 being come out 7s not setting for them so it was a lucky roll I guess that I had that session . But every one was vary happy with the roll even the DP except one person ME . Just kidding I was happy with the little win and long roll .I remember it mostly because the DP talked to me about the money he made on it along with ALL the place betters .

I am sure that if you threw 6 to 8 8s or 6s in a row you would not get up set about not having a long point cycle .
So I don’t think that you try for the 4 or 10 as a point then try for all 6s and 8s after that .But some may think that is a way to go .
I am saying that if you make your point be happy with the win whither it is your 2nd roll or your 44 roll and if by chance ,luck or bad roll you get a come out 7 for a win be happy it did not happen one roll earlier.Then think that the next point cycle will be longer then the LAST one was whither it was 2 or ?????.
By the way when I rolled the dice that day I was the ONLY come better on right side and one DP was at table .SO DID NOT SET FOR 7S AT ALL .
i SAID TO MYSELF that I was going to try come betting only and Murphy s 🙂 🙂 law came to play .
Good Rolling. 🙂 🙂